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Teacher Contract Still Not Settled

Both sides call upon the other side to compromise at Monday's school board meeting.

West Chester School Board President Vince Murphy read a statement at Monday’s school board meeting calling upon the teachers union to negotiate and compromise as both sides continue to work towards a new contract.

“It is high time that the West Chester Area School District be the next noteworthy example of a fiscally responsible contract achieved through compromise,” Murphy said.

Murphy pointed to the recently agreed upon contact in the Tredyffrin-Easttown School District.  The teachers and board there agreed to a two-year deal that calls for a $2,500 nonrecurring bonus for each bargaining unit member over the course of two years.

“Does this sound familiar?” Murphy asked.  “It should.  It is the same compensation proposal which our school board extended to our teachers union.”

Union president Debbie Fell said that the union has worked to compromise, and that it’s the school board that refuses to meet in the middle.

“When will you (the school board) come to the negotiation table,” Fell said.  “The teachers have already compromised $19 million dollars, and we have collaborated with the district the last two years to save over $10 million.”

A sticking point for the union so far has been that the school board does not attend negotiation sessions.

Instead, the board sends a negotiator who talks with the union and then relays what happened in the session back to the board at a later time.

The next negotiation session for the contract is scheduled for Nov. 29.

“This gives the West Chester Education Association ample time to sharpen its pencils and prepare a health insurance proposal and a response to our salary proposal that demonstrated a commitment to balancing achievement and affordability,” Murphy said.

“When negotiations started, $25 million separated the union and the school board,” said Henderson math teacher Bob Marks.  “That union has dropped that number to $6.5 million.  The WCAEA has moved quite a bit.”

Star Thrower November 01, 2012 at 03:01 AM
edufan .. you have quite a problem putting together what I said versus an online study that I was referring to .. in my very first sentence if you read it once again, my words were "NO, NOT EVERY CHILD, BUT 1 IN EVERY 10" which is quoted from the study - this is exactly why teachers such as you proclaim to be can not be trusted to tell the truth, but to pervert the truth into what they would like others to see ... what that study suggests is that with the "HUMAN INTERACTIONS you are suggesting, there could very well be another 3 million of those same incidents ... while cyber would eliminate virtually 100% of those incidents. Nope, I am neither a hate-monger, nor delusional ... although you are more & more appearing to be a deviant apologist.
Star Thrower November 01, 2012 at 03:06 AM
And no, I am not suggesting anything close to every teacher .. but go ahead and get binder over here with her statistical analysis to figure how many teachers involved in 3 million sexual incidents .. go ahead give me your estimate edufan.
Cathy Binder November 01, 2012 at 09:47 AM
And this Star character seems to fail to recognize the proliferation of online abuse that occurs to children from any variety of venues. I am not afraid to attach my actual name to this. I know a thing or two about my rights and have had quite enough of this person and their accusations. Slander and libel come to mind. Free speech is not without limits. Posting articles and statistics does not give one right to condemn an entire profession. Heck using that model all priests are pedophiles, which we know is not the case. Such generalizations are very dangerous and are what we in public schools fight against daily.
Rosemary Decker November 01, 2012 at 10:10 AM
He or she will cross a line eventually. Mr. Speicher will moderate this individuals comments, and he has agreed. The point is, nobody believes that teachers by and large abuse children.
edufan November 01, 2012 at 10:35 AM
I will not spout off statistics from one report. Any reporting is worth looking into and anyone can skew anything for their own arguments. The problem here, star, is that you do not like anything or anybody...except your money and cyber school, which I suspect go hand in hand. You want to open a cyber school? Go ahead, that is your right; however, it is not your right to slander an entire profession through generalized accusations. It is also not your right to be verbally abusive towards people who do not agree with your views.
Star Thrower November 01, 2012 at 03:50 PM
What rights are you speaking about Cathy Binder? And who are the WE in public schools Cathy Binder? .. you have gone to extreme lengths to portray yourself as not connected to public schools. Are you now saying you're a teacher? ... because the WE in public schools proves to me that you have been less than honest by portraying yourself as just another parent with children, who values an education. Look at the three of you .. ganging up before school this morning, like the very bullies who inhabit your schools - there are other threads where it's obvious you gang up also .. look what your union does to the school board, not to mention the union hordes who stalk parking lots before a school board meeting, intimidating taxpayers who are fed up with your abuse of the collective bargaining process. Look also at the condition of our country while the three of you bask in the taxpayer all-expense supplied post graduate degrees, and live your lives compliments of an eviction-threat-based salary .. Look at the WC Vote union friendly organization who supports only anti-taxpayer, union friendly members for election to the West Chester Area School Board - how many of the WC Vote hierarchy are also teachers? how many of the WC Vote hierarchy are also dipping into taxpayer supplied union funds? To many this is nothing but a "Bullying Network" to stifle taxpayer dissent.
Star Thrower November 01, 2012 at 03:52 PM
Unbelievable !! edufan .. you accuse me of making a generalized accusation by parroting "Cathy Binder" even though I have emphasized (twice) the fact that I am quoting a study which states 10% of a profession, NOT an entire profession ... in fact not a profession at all (but a vocation), if you take into consideration that no true professional has to have laws passed which stipulate salary and pension raises .. any true professional who paid for their post-grad degree would have a great chuckle over teaching as a profession (in my opinion). then you go on to emphatically pronounce me as caring about nothing but my money and Cyber? .. please !! I have already posted to you that I care about the sustainability of brick and mortar education, and the absolute uncaring attitude of the public education industry .. I have posted to you and your education champion Bret Binder about the dangers of Hydraulic Fracturing ... even while your pension fund has $Billions invested in the process. You are also a consistent nagger of the fact that I have chosen Star Thrower as a posting name in lieu of my birth name ... while at the same time you are doing exactly the same ... do you see the ambivalence of all those comments you've made yet?
Star Thrower November 01, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Here is yet another report, article, study, etc... whichever you prefer, of the fact that some communities are being proactive about the growing problem of teacher/student sexual abuse: October 14, 2012 - The Texas Education Agency opened 156 cases of educators accused of having inappropriate relationships with students or minors the last fiscal year. That number has increased steadily from 86 in 2007-08, according to the agency. The numbers are derived from the most egregious cases, which school districts are required to report. http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4431bb3e10404fdaaadba6d83d8f1e3b/TX--Teacher-Student-Relationships
Cathy Binder November 01, 2012 at 07:44 PM
Star, so now "we" cannot refer to the community, teachers, and those who support our public schools. That just cracks me up. Do you hear yourself? I am a private sector worker who supports public schools - maybe because I went to one. And by the way, my private employer paid for my graduate work. So the idea that this does not happen in the private sector says something to me about your knowledge of how the private sector works, how large employers work. And you are aware of course that to obtain permanant teaching certification and to keep teaching credentials teachers MUST continue graduate level work. So complain all you want, you continue to prove your lack of even basic knowledge. I think I will join Ms. Decker in complaining to Mr. Speicher about your ongoing rants regarding sexual abuse by teachers. Our schools are safe. Our kids are safe. The fact you want to portray otherwise sickens me, and makes me wonder about what goes on in your sick mind every day. You are way too obsessed on this issue for me.
edufan November 01, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Cathy, I have been through this with Star T before concerning the licenses required to be a certified school teacher, and yet again, this person continues to ignore what he knows nothing about. Star, I told you that I would gladly reveal my real name when and only when we have a school board that is fair and unbiased and does not abuse their power. (Yes, I have seen certain current board members throw their weight around in some of the schools.) In fact, when I retire in about 25 years, I think I might like to run for the school board of WCASD, as I am very confident that we will still existas a successful district.
Rosemary Decker November 02, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Edufan, I am not afraid of Star Thrower or the Board if this person is in fact a board member. I am speaking out against this hateful speech. I am sick of reading it and the nastiness directed at our community members and parents who support our schools and the fine work that goes on each day. I would welcome anyone to challenge me or attempt to discipline me for supporting public education, the good and excellent work of the West Chester Area District and the hateful accusations that the teachers are somehow sexual predators attacking our children. All my study of school law tells me that I am well within my 1st amendment rights. Any who know me are well aware I can't be bullied, I do not scare off. So, track me down, call anyone you like to complain. But in the end I have as much right to speak as any other U.S. citizen and will continue to exercise my right to defend my district, my colleagues and myself against such nonsense.
Rosemary Decker November 02, 2012 at 02:17 AM
And to Star, you do know of course our Board did try to discipline a teacher for using their home computer, their home email to send information to personal friends about a political action group the board disapproved of. They spent tax dollars to try and do this even after the district solicitor told them they had no basis for this as it was well within the teachers constitutional rights. So, if teachers are afraid to post their names, I get it. Some don't want to fight the fight even with the law on your side. So be careful about the condemnation of those who won't post their names. However, I would wonder why you won't post yours? I see no valid reason.
Rosemary Decker November 02, 2012 at 02:22 AM
I would have to agree with Elisabeth, what is the deal here as Ms.Bennet seems to make a valid point? Why are you following oh so closely? Seems there may be some interesting connections for sure.
edufan November 02, 2012 at 03:20 AM
Thank you, Rosemary. You have just proven my point as to why I don't post my real name....for now. I cannot fight the fight with my real name for now for many reasons; mainly for my children who attend WCASD schools. Once they're out, I will proudly publish my name! There is no real valid reason for ST to continue to conceal his/her real identity other than this person is a WCASD School Board member, which I highly suspect to be true.
Star Thrower November 02, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Decker, I don't care what your board did - that board was elected by myself and many other SILENT taxpayers who are actually your employers - they are there to be our voice to the horde of bullies that exists to intimidate and collude with criminal legislators for corrupt laws to stay enforced ... not only do we have the union horde, we also have WC Vote, who only backs union friendly thieves to be elected. I don't post my birth name because it doesn't matter ... if you would like to fantasize that I'm a school board member, be my guest - I have heard it all, and continue to be amused by the variety .. besides that, I do not post what I am not going to prove, unlike Binder and edufan who do almost nothing else. Speaking of valid reasoning, I see no valid reason not to begin proactive talks for reversing this growing trend of Teacher/Student sexual abuse, unless you also believe the problem will fix itself? if so explain the Rustin arrest in May, the Coatesville teacher sentenced last month, and also the 3 arrests last month in Berks County ... closing brick-mortar schools would solve this immediately, and completely, as well as many more of the massive financial, environmental, and sustainability issues .. name a valid reason to keep brick and mortar schools open in this age of calamity, and I will go away.
Star Thrower November 02, 2012 at 12:08 PM
As usual, once again you have an immense comprehension problem .. go back again and read that I wrote about post-grad DEGREES .. NOT graduate level work - I can probably show you dozens of teachers with over 20 years in the district with only a Bachelors degree - and oh yes, you're a union member alright, no matter how much smoke you blow .. and no matter how many gullible parrots you find to back you up. You know two of the prime requirements for admission to the teachers union is that you must contribute to the bribery fund for elections, and you must always be willing to regurgitate union propaganda. Complain all you want to Mr. Speicher, did you realize he posted Teacher/Student sexual abuse at Rustin just a few months ago? http://westchester.patch.com/articles/rustin-swim-coach-arrested-for-alleged-sexual-assault-of-a-minor You also missed responding to the whole second paragraph which documents your gang mentality and bullying tactics - and tell me again also how you happened to be reading the Daily Times last Sunday night the 21st on a thread where the only WCASD teacher 7dPrinceton was posting to RavishingRick about cyber schools ... there was no Cathy Binder on that thread, yet you had to come back to patch with your Binder name and repeat word for word where you were posting - as for your personal attack regarding who has the sick mind, obviously it's the one who can't prove she is what she says she is.
Star Thrower November 02, 2012 at 12:10 PM
This is a question edufan .. are you brain-dead? do you have any idea what you just wrote? Why would a person NOT ignore what he knows nothing about? you have failed to respond to the fact that you are not a professional by any stretch of the imagination ... and no matter what spin you and Decker come up with you are still doing exactly what you complain about ... hiding your name .. and please don't try hiding behind the children you can not prove exist either. You and Decker and Binder have all totally ignored the link that shows almost double the incidence of teacher/student abuse in the last 5 years ... why is that and do you believe things will fix themselves by ignoring that fact? - you do realize, don't you, that you had a teacher/coach from Rustin arrested just a few months ago for sexual abuse of a student don't you? The write-up received no comments ... on patch You have also not responded to the fact that your pension fund is heavily invested in hydraulic fracturing making lots of money at the expense of our aquifers - when do you teachers expect to comment on that?
Rosemary Decker November 03, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I would appreciate not being addressed as "Decker", it is rude and disrespectful. And to refer to me as a bully - again name calling and unacceptable. I do not tolerate such name calling in my classroom, and do not have to tolerate it from you. The fact that you do not support unions is fine, but the manner of your disagreement is what is objectionable. In the end there have been no illegal activities of any kind, and to refer to these actions as such is reprehensible. What I tell my students daily is the use of generalizations is a very dangerous practice. It has led to all types of invalid presumptions and led to very bad decision making. What is evident to me sir or madam is that facts are totally irrelevant to you. It would appear, in my opinion, that you isolate on broad statements and then isolate them to individuals. And to say that you pay my salary, well that is ludicrous. I can make the presumption as well that as many in the community support the good work of the schools, and the district. In fact my attendance at board meetings would indicate there is a great deal of community support. Not getting your way does make a system corrupt. If you really want YOUR voice to be heard, come out from behind the shadows and post your name. It does matter, it will give you credence.
Star Thrower November 03, 2012 at 01:49 PM
This is not your classroom Decker .. if the agenda is indicative of anything at all, this is my classroom, and you have been summoned here to answer for the gang member you have freely chosen to become - when I hear you chastise your fellow gang members for their name-calling (which always precedes mine), and the habitual contumely ever present in in the dialog of the teacher-inciter who uses the name Cathy Binder, we may be able to arrive at a discussion of why any increase in taxation, or any further theft of the future of our children is what it truly unacceptable - until that time I will answer as the name I have chosen, not the name I have been given by the grand-children of immigrants .. if anyone had bothered to research my name (instead of declaring it unacceptable) they would have gained slightly more insight into my ideology.
edufan November 03, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Your ideology of one of hysterics. Your replies to my post, Ms. Decker's and Ms. Binder's posts are surely proof of that. As for your username? I was aware of its meaning and I finally feel compelled to inform you, as another descendent of immigrtants.........you are NOT the only one who feels that you can make a difference, you are NOT the only star thrower. There are millions of star throwers, and this star thrower (ME) recognizes that many starfish are saved daily and the rescuers come from many ideologies. I happen to disagree with your ideology, and I view it as a right wing radical one. That's my right to view it that way. By the way, YOUR contumelious rhetoric to those of us who disagree with you is not only immature, but it is unfounded, and unacceptable. We are not gang members; we are not sexual abusers and we are not bullies, and I am not brain dead. As a Public School Teacher, I take pride in my work, my students and my school district. I will also work very hard to maintain the excellent education our children are receiving. Hence, MY username: EDUFAN!!!!
Star Thrower November 03, 2012 at 04:04 PM
You my fine feathered are a speaker of distortion, untruth, and a simple parrot of inciters .. nothing more .. who has most likely never heard of Eiseley, or anything else of value in your proven illiterate world. edit: I just noticed your first ever reading of my word contumely, and of course you had to look it up and parrot it right back to me .. lol
Cathy Binder November 03, 2012 at 04:10 PM
THe paranoia displayed is downright scary. So, I guess I can't read what others write on other news outlets and respond here now without you making commentary? I have seen you do this before, I seen you reply under other names before. You are not new news to me. I just simply choose to keep my commentary here. What is it to you? Are you so enthralled with your own importance (or lack thereof) that you assume that all who do not support your view spend their days as you do at a computer setting up screen names on multiple sites to get at you? Dream on (the name of another public education hater) you dialogue with. So, the fact I read in multiple places makes me what - well read - or in your case someone who has multiple personalities. Do you see how sick and pathetic you are? So, if you want me to be part of the gang that supports public schools - go ahead and put me there. I am proud to be a part of that "gang". And I researched Star Thrower too and found an organic farm in Minnesota - and I seem to recall from earlier rants you are an organic farmer. So, is that where you hail from? Or are you just an outlet for their products.
Star Thrower November 03, 2012 at 04:26 PM
Please post comments you have seen me post with, or you will prove yourself one more unionist speaker of distortion and truth - I can post comments and links from you as a word for word clone of 7dPrinceton. It's obvious you just looked up star thrower farm .. please post any comment I made about being an organic farmer also.
edufan November 03, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Don't flatter yourself, star, and don't underestimate me; especially concerning literature and vocabulary. I am simply impressed that you know how to find seldom used terms. Wait, of course, you looked it up! Once again, you avoid the intonation of my post and simply try to attack my intelligence, which again, you've underestimated. I have an assigment for you: look up the word, "respect" and attempt to learn its meaning, please.
Star Thrower November 03, 2012 at 09:23 PM
Once again EDFAN THROWER .. your feathers are showing as you completely parrot my comment using plagiarism simply because you're totally devoid of even a smidgen of intelligence you claim either now or in the future ... when you run for school board director ... I almost fell of the chair laughing when I read that one ... and as for your literature and vocab .. try reading your contumelious 11:36 AM post and tell me again about it ..
Cathy Binder November 04, 2012 at 12:49 AM
Star - you know I am correct - you have used many names in the past - I have followed your diatribes for years on the Daily Local. I have watched you and your conspiracy theories believing that all who disagree with you are the same person. I don't have to prove anything as you say. Many here know who you are. You have been called out on the Daily Local, I followed that little debacle. So, now you are not the organic farmer you formerly professed to be when you used the name "little". Really? Or how about "African Pride" a few years back or the other names you have come and gone under as you were bounced off sites for your hateful speech? I know what you are trying to do, and believe me keep at it. It will not dissuade me. You simply cannot stand that those of us who do not agree with you do form a coalition of active voices. So we speak as one, and have similar ideas. That does not make us the same person. How easy for you if it were so. Unfortunately the masses do not see it your way. Sorry. And your continually put downs will never help in anyone even giving you an audience.
edufan November 04, 2012 at 12:50 AM
Oh, Star, if you weren't so ridiculous, I'd be laughing at you right now. You are running out of steam. You sound like a little child who is name calling. Talk about being a parrot!! Your written voice has taken on a "ME? What about you?!?!?!" tone to it. Grow up, and admit that you have your own opinons, I have my opnions and we do not have to agree. Don't forget to pry yourself away from your cyber world, get off of the chair you almost fell off of, get outside in the fresh air, and go vote.
Star Thawer November 07, 2012 at 04:32 AM
I have to agree with Star Thrower. We need to be vigilant in making sure we do not have sexual predators around our children. As I have read, Ms. Adsett contacted a 17-year-old boy from a WCASD high school in '11. According to sources (fellow seniors), he was in the class of 2011. Why did she contact him instead of his parents? Star and I have to assume the worst. Then, with the current case from Rustin, we have to be careful with the parents that WC hires as coaches. Even though he wasn't a teacher, Star and I would feel happier if the Board did not hire or approve predators, and the board should not encourage making "contact" with young boys. Ask Ms. Adsett. Thank you. Star Brothers! Go Mitt! Mitt will win PA!
Robin Kaliner November 07, 2012 at 10:31 PM
ST, those are 4 possibilities for ONE school to be closed. Now they are also considering closing 2 but building another larger one. So, all things considered, no one has proposed going below 9 elementary schools. Also, what is your preoccupation with sexual abuse? Sounds like it hits pretty close to home for you.
edufan November 22, 2012 at 05:16 PM
Thank you, WCASD officials for voting to stay with ten elementary schools.

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