Teacher Contract Still Not Settled
Both sides call upon the other side to compromise at Monday's school board meeting.
West Chester School Board President Vince Murphy read a statement at Monday’s school board meeting calling upon the teachers union to negotiate and compromise as both sides continue to work towards a new contract.
“It is high time that the West Chester Area School District be the next noteworthy example of a fiscally responsible contract achieved through compromise,” Murphy said.
Murphy pointed to the recently agreed upon contact in the Tredyffrin-Easttown School District. The teachers and board there agreed to a two-year deal that calls for a $2,500 nonrecurring bonus for each bargaining unit member over the course of two years.
“Does this sound familiar?” Murphy asked. “It should. It is the same compensation proposal which our school board extended to our teachers union.”
Union president Debbie Fell said that the union has worked to compromise, and that it’s the school board that refuses to meet in the middle.
“When will you (the school board) come to the negotiation table,” Fell said. “The teachers have already compromised $19 million dollars, and we have collaborated with the district the last two years to save over $10 million.”
A sticking point for the union so far has been that the school board does not attend negotiation sessions.
Instead, the board sends a negotiator who talks with the union and then relays what happened in the session back to the board at a later time.
The next negotiation session for the contract is scheduled for Nov. 29.
“This gives the West Chester Education Association ample time to sharpen its pencils and prepare a health insurance proposal and a response to our salary proposal that demonstrated a commitment to balancing achievement and affordability,” Murphy said.
“When negotiations started, $25 million separated the union and the school board,” said Henderson math teacher Bob Marks. “That union has dropped that number to $6.5 million. The WCAEA has moved quite a bit.”
Cathy Binder
5:38 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
Noticed in the board minutes another administrator is leaving, bringing the total now up to four.
Also, they are paying a per diem rate at Peirce of $450 a day for a fill in assistant principal, and $780 a day for a fill in Human Resources Director. The fill in assistant is a retired administrator for the district and I assume collecting a pension?
For a district that is crying fiscal restraint I have to wonder. But the teachers are the ones we want to call greedy?
And Mr. Murphy, go online and check out the pay matrix of the TE teachers, no comparison to here. And let's look at the taxes paid in that district as well.
Please, you all say you want to learn the process of negotiating. GO TO THE TABLE AND GET SOME EDUCATION. You all look foolish right now as the facts I found in a simple online search, and reading the board agenda online make me question what you are all doing.
Star Thrower
12:03 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Gee Binder, did we forget that every single TE school made AYP this year ... I guess that story was too difficult for you to find in the grief you're experiencing over your failed district ... let me help
http://paayp.emetric.net/District/SchoolList/c15/124157802
Might as well just drag out your tired line how the entire AYP mess is a joke in terms of measuring anything ... but please do not forget "EVERY TE SCHOOL" passed - you failed
Noticed also that you had some difficulty remembering that TE cleaned your clock in the ACT results also - I would say you're the one looking foolish right now Princess.
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/act-results-compare-local-high-schools-cfc85a28
And don't forget how your district finished at the bottom of every nationwide competition it has entered in the last two years
These would all be negotiation topics if I was sitting on that board
Max Kneis
7:19 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Star thrower-, you make a lot of uniformed attacks about our schools, especially in terms of their achievement. For example Hendersons academic team has win the state championship the past two years (defeating Conestoga in the County final in 2011) and Rustin won states in 2010. Most of this is a direct result of the superb teaching done by all faculty members in our High Schools.
How about recent achievements at DECA, where last years state president and co VP came from our district? Or Rustins science Olympiad team placing 14th in the nation?
Lets remember all the great things our district has achieved and stop the uncalled for attacks on the wok of the teachers in the district.
RoxyD
8:08 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Sadly, some people aren't concerned with reality and facts. They live in their own little cyber-world with a very narrow view. Thanks for the positive input! Most people in West Chester support our public schools, are proud of the accomplishments of our students, and appreciate the hard work of the teachers!
Star Thrower
9:30 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Thank you Max .. your concern for the "Wok" is touching - I promise not to attack it again.
Thank you also RoxyD for your continued sadness .. very happy you are not as hateful this morning.
edufan
9:31 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Thank you to everyone who came out to the Halloween Parade tonight. It was so wonderful hearing all of the cheers and cries of support as our WCAEA group paraded by. We saw so many students and former students who are now attending college, along with a lot of adults who expressed their support for public education. Heartwarming to say the least.
Steve Maher
12:47 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Just to let everyone know that Star Thrower is Tanya C. from www.midnightbluesays.com. She always commented on school board races in the past as she is associated with the PA Conservative Council. So do not pay her any mind.
edufan
5:54 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Steve, I've heard that before; however, I would think that Tania would have the guts to print her name. She lives in Philly, so why would she care who knew her here? Afterall, she wants hits on her site. I actually think this "person" is a local school board member who is a "Tania-wannabe", but lacks the courage to come out from behind his/her/its username. Now, I cannot wait for the senseless, rambling response. Bring it on!
Star Thrower
11:37 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Thank you edufan .. not only for the senseless rambling response, but for letting everyone know that you are now a self-confessed "teacher wannabe" for lacking the courage to come out from behind your username.
edufan
5:57 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Max Kneis, kudos for a well written response!! Most of us with brains knew you meant work, not wok, so please ignore those who choose to focus on things that are not related to the content of your post.
Star Thrower
11:39 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Most of us with an IQ over 89 have realized "Max the Wok" is attempting to justify raising teacher salaries based on extracurricular ego-centric activities, not PA department of education achievement goals - Mr Wok may as well have justified teacher raises over how well the football team is doing - nonetheless, it was quite obvious that Mr Wok, as well as yourself, edufan, is uniquely disqualified in discussions requiring attention to detail, a prime factor in how a teacher's worth should be determined.
Cathy Binder
7:45 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
You do realize that for AYP to even be calculated that there must be at least 40 students in the cohort? So if a school has less than 40 students in of those categories and they all fail, it doesn't count. Do we see the fallacy in this system yet? That is often why schools with high poverty (low income subgroup), high multilingual (large ELL) may not make AYP. Again, this is all available by reading the Dept of Ed website. Not making AYP in any one category has nothing to do with the entire school or an entire district failing or not achieving. If you do a statistical analysis it can mean as few as two or three students in an building of 900 do not make a cutoff. Every other student could test advanced and proficient. The old adage about statistics certainly applies. Therefore, true statistical analysis must be used. While the numbers may be informative, they cannot be used to make blanket statements. If we were to carry this whole AYP mess to the extreme it could mean that unless every student gets a 100% on the test they fail. That of course is nonsense. When perfection becomes the standard nobody can win, as none of us will ever be perfect. To assert otherwise is just plain foolish.
edufan
8:09 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Thank you, Cathy. Very articulate. It is obvious that you have researched this well. Now for some ridiculous, yet entertaining remarks from our "friend".
Star Thrower
8:05 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Nice attempted smoke-blowing binder .. but like a true union deception specialist, you seem to have left out the following caveat:
(although a school with fewer than 40 students is still accountable at the overall level)
Just because edu-parrot is lost in your gobbledygook .. don't get the idea that anyone on the school board will be fooled.
Furthermore, no one is suggesting we carry AYP to the extreme, and not to worry ... perfection will never be an expectation for schools taught by pension-hungry conspirators.
My original comment stands completely unscathed .. all TE schools made AYP - and all testing being equal ... your district failed AYP.
Notice also, you and the parrot must have forgotten to reference your schools finishing far behind TE in the ACT results .. actually tying for last place on the list.
edufan
9:28 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Again, Max, very well stated. Star, be careful who you attack here. Some who post here are not old, crotchey, mean-spirited people like yourself.
edufan
9:31 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Star, be careful who you are trashing. Not everybody who posts on here are old, crotchety, nasty people like yourself.
Where in the world did you get the "teacher wannabe" from? My remark that you are a "Tania Wannabe"? Thank you for making my prediction accurate. Rambling, senseless retorts! Geez, Tea Party members: great representative you have here!! Hee Hee!
Star Thrower
8:07 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Mr Wok was not trashed - Mr Wok was brought to task for his attempt to base a teachers pay raise on how well ego-centric extracurricular activities are performed ... I do realize that Mr Wok may indeed not be a teacher, leaving some question as to whether he was actually qualified to post his hair-brained comment ... however, for a wannabe teacher (such as you have described yourself), to give Mr Wok any semblance of credibility for such a ridiculous comment, only proves my point that you have no justification whatever, to call yourself an informed teacher, simply because your family bribed your way through the certification process.
Another example of your inability to function in the adult world, is your loss to remember what you wrote (or how to spell once again), scurrying back and forth between comments like a mental patient who must have misplaced her ritalin, yes?
edufan
6:45 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Star, AGAIN: Please listen to me: Be CAREFUL who you are trashing!!! NOT EVERYBODY who blogs is an OLD, crotchety blowhard like yourself!!!!
Also, thank you for finally admitting that your are indeed a WCASD SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER! Nice trash talk for a member representing ME; a TAX PAYER!!!
You accused me of hiding behind my username!! What about you???
Have the guts to state your real name and occupation and I will very proudly so the same. Wait...I will begin: I am a Certified Public School Teacher with a Master's Degree in Education (also an undergraduate degree in education). I work as a classroom teacher in the WEST CHESTER AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT. Your turn, chicken sh--!
Star Thrower
9:14 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
First of all, did you just write "ADMITTING YOUR ARE"? .. and then not a minute later write "I WILL PROUDLY SO THE SAME" ... and then go on to BS me about you being a teacher? Have I not explained thoroughly enough for you that your consistent neglect for attention to detail, completely negates the possibility of your claim to being a real teacher .. even a WCASD teacher for that matter - add to that your addiction to name-calling, and absolutely no one would believe you speak to children with that hateful mouth.
I will need to see detailed proof .. photo ID would be acceptable .. also scanned documents of all stated degrees - these should all be uploaded to your chosen picture hosting site and posted here as links.
edufan
9:42 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
See? Once again, you are rambling and avoiding the challenge put forth. We do not need people like you on our school board. All you care about is shouting out hateful remarks and trashing my wonderful school district. In spite of your ASSUMPTIONS, WCASD is a FANTASTIC district. You have no clue and your claims of "facts" are pure gibberish. I have stated over and over, and your cyber mind refuses to listen: come visit a WCASD school any time and see the fantastic teaching and learning going on there.
Cathy Binder
8:41 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Star - 40 students in a cohort - not a school. So let me explain again. If you have less than 40 students in a category, i.e. less than 40 identified as economically deprived that category in a building it does not COUNT for AYP. So using your TE example, how many students are economically deprived? I haven't checked their stats I do admit. But the point is, that if you have 39 students in a building in the particular cohort, and all 39 test below basic, you would make AYP, as the number in the COHORT is less than 40. Conversely, if two days before the test, two students are identified into that cohort, then the category would count for AYP.
Therefore your rantings and ravings have little merit. Each school, each building, each district must be analyzed on the basis of its particular demographics and community. And, remember, WCASD does have the lowest taxes, and its teachers are paid less. So you pay less you get less - how about them apples? Now I don't believe that for one minute. What I see is a excellent district with teachers that are second to none. They should demand more, they do deserve more. The number of students who test proficient and advance far outnumber the small cohort that may be struggling for any variety of very specific reasons.
As one again who works with statistics and the analysis of numbers daily, I beg you do your homework, or please refrain.
Star Thrower
6:12 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
When you post a report (along with the link) from PDE stating that WCASD has made AYP, I will remove #1 below, still leaving 3 reasons you don't deserve a raise, but a deduction, along with 3 school closings - there is no ranting and raving except by yourself and your COHORT parrot - My statement stands on it's own merit, not mine:
1- WCASD has failed AYP while T/E has made AYP
http://paayp.emetric.net/District/SchoolList/c15/124157802
2- T/E has far exceeded WCASD in the ACT results this year
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/act-results-compare-local-high-schools-cfc85a28
3- WCASD has finished at the bottom of every nationwide school competition is has entered in the last two years
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/20/america-s-best-high-schools.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/2011/americas-best-high-schools.html
4- T/E has one school which has produced 4 times more semifinalists in the 2013 national merit scholarship program, than every WCASD school combined.
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/national-merit-honors-local-students?logout=true
Maybe you should explain the word cohort (singular) as defined by PDE for the dimwitted parrot who believes it's a teacher .. spot on? lol
PS - and please give the sad little parrot a pat on the head, its trying to get your attention by telling you ... for the umpteenth time ... that it's a teacher.
edufan
2:13 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Cathy, as a teacher in the WCASD, I thank you for understanding our value. Thank you, also for your clear and concise explanations of the cohorts. Not only does it makes sense, it is spot on!
Cathy Binder
10:43 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Star - the problem is you DO NOT UNDERSTAND. All you seem to be interested in is not responding to actual facts, bad mouthing teachers, pointing out typos (who cares), and making unfounded claims. The district is high performing - not everyone can be number one. The fact that the demographics of our community are different, the fact we pay the LOWEST in taxes, have more students than TE does all plays into how our numbers will be skewed. Anyone who knows even the smallest modicum about how statistical analysis is done can figure this out.
What I know about you and it is only what is gleaned from your posts is this - purely unscientific of course - but that is what you do, so I can join your world for a moment.
-No positives ever matter.
-If you lived in TE you would be bad mouthing their tax rate and the fact their teachers make lots more money and their scores would not be high enough for you.
-You hate, despite your allegations. Your verbiage proves it.
-You name call, but accuse others of this, with no recognition that you do the same.
-You are a bully of the worst order - and get angry when people stand up to you.
-I have never seen you have the guts to come to a school board meeting and speak y our hateful thoughts - come on down - bring it on. But you won't as you are a coward of the worst sort.
-Stop bashing our kids, because in reality that is what you are really doing, and I resent it.
Star Thrower
3:01 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
OK, let's take your ridiculous list one by one:
1 - The word positive is relative between you & I.
2 - Pure unprovable speculation .. your biased opinion.
3 I love all teachers who choose not to belong to unions - I despise (not hate) unions , not teachers .. most taxpayers do, if they don't now, they will.
4 I respond in kind - check your parrot's comments, then mine.
5 I do not get angry ... simply because I know that no unionist can stand up to the truth I post .. one such proof which is readily available on Patch is the teacher/student sexual abuse comments, that no one will comment on .. similar to the pedophile priests ... can you dispute the fact that cyber home-schooling would eliminate teacher/student sexual abuse?
6 The two of you self-described know-it-alls better check your comments, you both seem very assured that I am on the school board, which would actually prove me present for every board meeting ... no? while neither you nor your parrot can prove anything whatsoever - let me see the princess and her parrot resolve this stupidity conflict .. then I will respond again.
edufan
10:56 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Again, Cathy SPOT ON!!! Once again, thrower has not admitted that it is a school board member nor does it admit that it is a coward. I do not care whether it believes that I am a school teacher or not. I know the great work that I do, and I thank you, Cathy, for being so supportive of our profession, and our schools.
Thrower, you can continue to call us names; however, you have yet to reply to my challenge: have the guts to reveal yourself. As for me: I will be at the next school board meeting as I have been to past meetings. You'll recognize me. I will be wearing a red shirt.
Elisabeth Bennet
4:31 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
On more than one occasion, Star Thrower has been identified along with her website. There have been no rebuttals to this, so I have come to believe that this is correct information. One photographer of note on her website is Sean Carpenter of West Chester. Is this the missing piece of the puzzle?
edufan
4:56 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Just might be, Elizabeth; however, ST refuses to reveal its true identity, so it very well could be either one.
edufan
4:54 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Hmmmmm, let's see, s___ thrower. Lies, lies, and more lies. You never get angry? (LIES) You don't call people names? (LIES) You claim that if you were on the school board, you would be at the meetings. but since you are too CHICKEN to come out and say who you really are, AND you do not come right out and deny that you are a school board member, then you must be a school board member because all you do is LIE! You also seem to know a lot about what the members are discussing; just not public discussing it (closure of more than one school.) You like teachers? LIE. You bash teachers all of the time. You call our school distrct a failure (LIE). So, come on. Be brave, for once. Come clean about who you are and what you have to do with WCASD!
Star Thrower
5:16 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
"Last year, as part of the Community Budget Task Force, a committee of district parents and residents suggested that one of the way the district could save money is by consolidating space and possibly closing one school. The committee suggested four schools that could be closed with the least amount of impact: East Bradford, Fern Hill, Glen Acres and Mary C. Howse."
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/district-to-explore-closing-a-school
How does it feel to have been proven an idiot teacher wannabe?
edufan
7:51 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
As a member of one of the task force committees, I am well aware of what was discussed on that committee. However, that is not what you have been alleging. You have been alleging the possibility of closing more than one school. I happen to know of a certain WCASD School Board Member who wants to close more than one school. That's why I think that you are a school board member. Remember how you said that you didn't hate? Remember that you claimed to not call people names? You just proved in your previous rant that you lie.
Star Thrower
8:25 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Then I suppose you forgot to read the article which discusses closing 4 schools - read it again - also you began by calling me a liar 5 times .. I still owe you 3 idiots.
"THE COMMITTEE SUGGESTED FOUR SCHOOLS that could be closed"
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/district-to-explore-closing-a-school
Robin Kaliner
5:31 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
ST, those are 4 possibilities for ONE school to be closed. Now they are also considering closing 2 but building another larger one. So, all things considered, no one has proposed going below 9 elementary schools. Also, what is your preoccupation with sexual abuse? Sounds like it hits pretty close to home for you.
edufan
7:53 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
oh, and by the way: once again you have avoided my challenge. Come clean about who you are and what you have to do with WCASD.
edufan
11:40 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012
Again, wrong, s--- thrower. That is not what happened on the committee. 4 schools were discussed as options, but the public discussion was that one of the schools would be considered and recommended after some more data was collected. It has come to some of our attention that a certain school board member wants more than one school closed. Oh, and by the way: there you go again, name calling; something you have denied doing. Be brave and reveal yourself and what business you have to do with WCASD. I keep asking you to do that and you keep avoiding my request. Afraid?
Star Thrower
2:02 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
edufan - It is a fact that closing brick and mortar schools will eliminate teacher/student sexual abuse by close to 100% by the link I have already posted .. this could save approximately 3 million sexual abuse cases - I have to assume that because both yourself and binder refuse to comment ... eliminating 3 million incidences of teacher/student sexual abuse is not a priority with you ... would that be correct?
Star Thawer
11:32 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
I have to agree with Star Thrower. We need to be vigilant in making sure we do not have sexual predators around our children. As I have read, Ms. Adsett contacted a 17-year-old boy from a WCASD high school in '11. According to sources (fellow seniors), he was in the class of 2011. Why did she contact him instead of his parents? Star and I have to assume the worst. Then, with the current case from Rustin, we have to be careful with the parents that WC hires as coaches. Even though he wasn't a teacher, Star and I would feel happier if the Board did not hire or approve predators, and the board should not encourage making "contact" with young boys. Ask Ms. Adsett. Thank you.
Star Brothers! Go Mitt! Mitt will win PA!
Tania Gail
9:44 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
'Elisabeth Bennet' - On more than one occasion, Star Thrower has been identified along with her website.
How did you come to this conclusion. Please provide proof - IP Address, email address, direct links, etc. Baseless accusations do not count. Feel free to post the info and then link in this comment thread.
Without proof, I have to label you a liar among other things.
Elisabeth Bennet
6:59 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
A previous comment in this article and an article on 9/26 regarding the teacher rally identified a website. There was no rebuttal to either comment. Upon exploring this website, I found Sean Carpenter and his photography (some of which I found interesting). Is there a connection? I don't know, but why did you wait so long to rebut as you obviously have been following the WCASD by your response to me.
Rosemary Decker
10:22 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
I would have to agree with Elisabeth, what is the deal here as Ms.Bennet seems to make a valid point? Why are you following oh so closely? Seems there may be some interesting connections for sure.
edufan
6:55 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Oh, Star! I just realized.....you must have been a victim of sexual abuse! I mean, after all, why would you ever make a claim that there are "3 million incidences of teacher/student sexual abuse" unless you think that every student has been abused. Please, Star, get some counseling or some kind of help! I will pray for you as it is obvious that something is seriously distubing you.
Oh, and by the way? Is this why you won't reveal who you are and what you have to do with WCASD?
Star Thrower
8:19 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
No edufan, not every child, but according to the study, one in every 10 - at least you are starting to get the picture of how immense the teacher/student sexual abuse is becoming .. here is the link:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/02/is_sexual_abuse_in_schools_very_common_.html
Star Thrower
8:23 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
BTW edufan, you ask why I would make such a claim .. my answer is that it is just one more of a long line of reasons to close brick & mortar schools .. they are unsustainable, a grave danger to to the country, and a millstone around a homeowners neck.
Rosemary Decker
7:55 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
As a teacher in the WCASD I have had about enough of the accusations of sexual abuse. I have already written to the Patch about it Star Thrower and if necessary will ask to have your posts eliminated. You are entitled to your opinion but an entire condemnation of all the teachers is not acceptable. You have no right to accuse me of actions in this manner or others for that matter. Enough. Now, you are free to go to the district and complain about me, be my guest. But last I checked I can defend myself in this manner against your baseless claims.
Star Thrower
8:19 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Very sorry to break the bad news to you Rosemary, but facts I have posted are far from baseless .. below are links from just this month alone, and do not even touch on the three teachers in Berks County who were all arrested in the same week last month.
http://hypervocal.com/news/2012/sarah-jones-bengal-cheerleader-guilty/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/christie-david-teacher-sex-with-student_n_2010686.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/raemon-matthews-new-york-_n_1965970.html
http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/20121020/NEWS01/310200027/Ex-teacher-admits-sex-acts-4-students-officials-say?odyssey=nav%7Chead&nclick_check=1
edufan
10:30 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Star, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you decided to be just plain mean and vindictive again. Brick and Mortar school are NOT a millstone around the neck of homeowners ( I am a homeowner), they are sustainable and they are NOT a grave danger. Rosemary is quite correct; however, that you have absolutley no right to accuse every teacher of being a sexual abuser. YOU were the one saying every child was in danger. YOU are the one stating the 3 million incidents. That attitude and accusations are gravely dangerous and very unfounded. As for brick and mortar schools going by way to total cyber? Not in your lifetime or my lifetime. You see, you are an excellent example of why we cannot go totally cyber. Without human interactions, people would all be hatemongers and very delusional.....like yourself.
Star Thrower
11:01 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
edufan .. you have quite a problem putting together what I said versus an online study that I was referring to .. in my very first sentence if you read it once again, my words were "NO, NOT EVERY CHILD, BUT 1 IN EVERY 10" which is quoted from the study - this is exactly why teachers such as you proclaim to be can not be trusted to tell the truth, but to pervert the truth into what they would like others to see ... what that study suggests is that with the "HUMAN INTERACTIONS you are suggesting, there could very well be another 3 million of those same incidents ... while cyber would eliminate virtually 100% of those incidents.
Nope, I am neither a hate-monger, nor delusional ... although you are more & more appearing to be a deviant apologist.
Star Thrower
11:06 pm on Wednesday, October 31, 2012
And no, I am not suggesting anything close to every teacher .. but go ahead and get binder over here with her statistical analysis to figure how many teachers involved in 3 million sexual incidents .. go ahead give me your estimate edufan.
Cathy Binder
5:47 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
And this Star character seems to fail to recognize the proliferation of online abuse that occurs to children from any variety of venues. I am not afraid to attach my actual name to this. I know a thing or two about my rights and have had quite enough of this person and their accusations. Slander and libel come to mind. Free speech is not without limits. Posting articles and statistics does not give one right to condemn an entire profession. Heck using that model all priests are pedophiles, which we know is not the case. Such generalizations are very dangerous and are what we in public schools fight against daily.
Star Thrower
11:50 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
What rights are you speaking about Cathy Binder? And who are the WE in public schools Cathy Binder? .. you have gone to extreme lengths to portray yourself as not connected to public schools. Are you now saying you're a teacher? ... because the WE in public schools proves to me that you have been less than honest by portraying yourself as just another parent with children, who values an education.
Look at the three of you .. ganging up before school this morning, like the very bullies who inhabit your schools - there are other threads where it's obvious you gang up also .. look what your union does to the school board, not to mention the union hordes who stalk parking lots before a school board meeting, intimidating taxpayers who are fed up with your abuse of the collective bargaining process.
Look also at the condition of our country while the three of you bask in the taxpayer all-expense supplied post graduate degrees, and live your lives compliments of an eviction-threat-based salary .. Look at the WC Vote union friendly organization who supports only anti-taxpayer, union friendly members for election to the West Chester Area School Board - how many of the WC Vote hierarchy are also teachers? how many of the WC Vote hierarchy are also dipping into taxpayer supplied union funds? To many this is nothing but a "Bullying Network" to stifle taxpayer dissent.
Rosemary Decker
6:11 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
He or she will cross a line eventually. Mr. Speicher will moderate this individuals comments, and he has agreed. The point is, nobody believes that teachers by and large abuse children.
edufan
6:35 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
I will not spout off statistics from one report. Any reporting is worth looking into and anyone can skew anything for their own arguments. The problem here, star, is that you do not like anything or anybody...except your money and cyber school, which I suspect go hand in hand.
You want to open a cyber school? Go ahead, that is your right; however, it is not your right to slander an entire profession through generalized accusations. It is also not your right to be verbally abusive towards people who do not agree with your views.
Star Thrower
11:52 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Unbelievable !! edufan .. you accuse me of making a generalized accusation by parroting "Cathy Binder" even though I have emphasized (twice) the fact that I am quoting a study which states 10% of a profession, NOT an entire profession ... in fact not a profession at all (but a vocation), if you take into consideration that no true professional has to have laws passed which stipulate salary and pension raises .. any true professional who paid for their post-grad degree would have a great chuckle over teaching as a profession (in my opinion).
then you go on to emphatically pronounce me as caring about nothing but my money and Cyber? .. please !! I have already posted to you that I care about the sustainability of brick and mortar education, and the absolute uncaring attitude of the public education industry .. I have posted to you and your education champion Bret Binder about the dangers of Hydraulic Fracturing ... even while your pension fund has $Billions invested in the process.
You are also a consistent nagger of the fact that I have chosen Star Thrower as a posting name in lieu of my birth name ... while at the same time you are doing exactly the same ... do you see the ambivalence of all those comments you've made yet?
Star Thrower
11:54 am on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Here is yet another report, article, study, etc... whichever you prefer, of the fact that some communities are being proactive about the growing problem of teacher/student sexual abuse:
October 14, 2012 - The Texas Education Agency opened 156 cases of educators accused of having inappropriate relationships with students or minors the last fiscal year. That number has increased steadily from 86 in 2007-08, according to the agency. The numbers are derived from the most egregious cases, which school districts are required to report.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4431bb3e10404fdaaadba6d83d8f1e3b/TX--Teacher-Student-Relationships
Cathy Binder
3:44 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Star, so now "we" cannot refer to the community, teachers, and those who support our public schools. That just cracks me up. Do you hear yourself? I am a private sector worker who supports public schools - maybe because I went to one. And by the way, my private employer paid for my graduate work. So the idea that this does not happen in the private sector says something to me about your knowledge of how the private sector works, how large employers work. And you are aware of course that to obtain permanant teaching certification and to keep teaching credentials teachers MUST continue graduate level work. So complain all you want, you continue to prove your lack of even basic knowledge.
I think I will join Ms. Decker in complaining to Mr. Speicher about your ongoing rants regarding sexual abuse by teachers. Our schools are safe. Our kids are safe. The fact you want to portray otherwise sickens me, and makes me wonder about what goes on in your sick mind every day. You are way too obsessed on this issue for me.
Star Thrower
8:08 am on Friday, November 2, 2012
As usual, once again you have an immense comprehension problem .. go back again and read that I wrote about post-grad DEGREES .. NOT graduate level work - I can probably show you dozens of teachers with over 20 years in the district with only a Bachelors degree - and oh yes, you're a union member alright, no matter how much smoke you blow .. and no matter how many gullible parrots you find to back you up. You know two of the prime requirements for admission to the teachers union is that you must contribute to the bribery fund for elections, and you must always be willing to regurgitate union propaganda.
Complain all you want to Mr. Speicher, did you realize he posted Teacher/Student sexual abuse at Rustin just a few months ago?
http://westchester.patch.com/articles/rustin-swim-coach-arrested-for-alleged-sexual-assault-of-a-minor
You also missed responding to the whole second paragraph which documents your gang mentality and bullying tactics - and tell me again also how you happened to be reading the Daily Times last Sunday night the 21st on a thread where the only WCASD teacher 7dPrinceton was posting to RavishingRick about cyber schools ... there was no Cathy Binder on that thread, yet you had to come back to patch with your Binder name and repeat word for word where you were posting - as for your personal attack regarding who has the sick mind, obviously it's the one who can't prove she is what she says she is.
edufan
6:29 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Cathy, I have been through this with Star T before concerning the licenses required to be a certified school teacher, and yet again, this person continues to ignore what he knows nothing about.
Star, I told you that I would gladly reveal my real name when and only when we have a school board that is fair and unbiased and does not abuse their power. (Yes, I have seen certain current board members throw their weight around in some of the schools.)
In fact, when I retire in about 25 years, I think I might like to run for the school board of WCASD, as I am very confident that we will still existas a successful district.
Star Thrower
8:10 am on Friday, November 2, 2012
This is a question edufan .. are you brain-dead? do you have any idea what you just wrote? Why would a person NOT ignore what he knows nothing about? you have failed to respond to the fact that you are not a professional by any stretch of the imagination ... and no matter what spin you and Decker come up with you are still doing exactly what you complain about ... hiding your name .. and please don't try hiding behind the children you can not prove exist either.
You and Decker and Binder have all totally ignored the link that shows almost double the incidence of teacher/student abuse in the last 5 years ... why is that and do you believe things will fix themselves by ignoring that fact? - you do realize, don't you, that you had a teacher/coach from Rustin arrested just a few months ago for sexual abuse of a student don't you? The write-up received no comments ... on patch
You have also not responded to the fact that your pension fund is heavily invested in hydraulic fracturing making lots of money at the expense of our aquifers - when do you teachers expect to comment on that?
Rosemary Decker
10:09 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Edufan, I am not afraid of Star Thrower or the Board if this person is in fact a board member. I am speaking out against this hateful speech. I am sick of reading it and the nastiness directed at our community members and parents who support our schools and the fine work that goes on each day. I would welcome anyone to challenge me or attempt to discipline me for supporting public education, the good and excellent work of the West Chester Area District and the hateful accusations that the teachers are somehow sexual predators attacking our children. All my study of school law tells me that I am well within my 1st amendment rights. Any who know me are well aware I can't be bullied, I do not scare off. So, track me down, call anyone you like to complain. But in the end I have as much right to speak as any other U.S. citizen and will continue to exercise my right to defend my district, my colleagues and myself against such nonsense.
Rosemary Decker
10:17 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
And to Star, you do know of course our Board did try to discipline a teacher for using their home computer, their home email to send information to personal friends about a political action group the board disapproved of. They spent tax dollars to try and do this even after the district solicitor told them they had no basis for this as it was well within the teachers constitutional rights. So, if teachers are afraid to post their names, I get it. Some don't want to fight the fight even with the law on your side. So be careful about the condemnation of those who won't post their names. However, I would wonder why you won't post yours? I see no valid reason.
edufan
11:20 pm on Thursday, November 1, 2012
Thank you, Rosemary. You have just proven my point as to why I don't post my real name....for now. I cannot fight the fight with my real name for now for many reasons; mainly for my children who attend WCASD schools. Once they're out, I will proudly publish my name! There is no real valid reason for ST to continue to conceal his/her real identity other than this person is a WCASD School Board member, which I highly suspect to be true.
Star Thrower
8:06 am on Friday, November 2, 2012
Decker, I don't care what your board did - that board was elected by myself and many other SILENT taxpayers who are actually your employers - they are there to be our voice to the horde of bullies that exists to intimidate and collude with criminal legislators for corrupt laws to stay enforced ... not only do we have the union horde, we also have WC Vote, who only backs union friendly thieves to be elected. I don't post my birth name because it doesn't matter ... if you would like to fantasize that I'm a school board member, be my guest - I have heard it all, and continue to be amused by the variety .. besides that, I do not post what I am not going to prove, unlike Binder and edufan who do almost nothing else.
Speaking of valid reasoning, I see no valid reason not to begin proactive talks for reversing this growing trend of Teacher/Student sexual abuse, unless you also believe the problem will fix itself? if so explain the Rustin arrest in May, the Coatesville teacher sentenced last month, and also the 3 arrests last month in Berks County ... closing brick-mortar schools would solve this immediately, and completely, as well as many more of the massive financial, environmental, and sustainability issues .. name a valid reason to keep brick and mortar schools open in this age of calamity, and I will go away.
Rosemary Decker
8:01 am on Saturday, November 3, 2012
I would appreciate not being addressed as "Decker", it is rude and disrespectful. And to refer to me as a bully - again name calling and unacceptable. I do not tolerate such name calling in my classroom, and do not have to tolerate it from you. The fact that you do not support unions is fine, but the manner of your disagreement is what is objectionable. In the end there have been no illegal activities of any kind, and to refer to these actions as such is reprehensible.
What I tell my students daily is the use of generalizations is a very dangerous practice. It has led to all types of invalid presumptions and led to very bad decision making. What is evident to me sir or madam is that facts are totally irrelevant to you. It would appear, in my opinion, that you isolate on broad statements and then isolate them to individuals.
And to say that you pay my salary, well that is ludicrous. I can make the presumption as well that as many in the community support the good work of the schools, and the district. In fact my attendance at board meetings would indicate there is a great deal of community support. Not getting your way does make a system corrupt. If you really want YOUR voice to be heard, come out from behind the shadows and post your name. It does matter, it will give you credence.
Star Thrower
9:49 am on Saturday, November 3, 2012
This is not your classroom Decker .. if the agenda is indicative of anything at all, this is my classroom, and you have been summoned here to answer for the gang member you have freely chosen to become - when I hear you chastise your fellow gang members for their name-calling (which always precedes mine), and the habitual contumely ever present in in the dialog of the teacher-inciter who uses the name Cathy Binder, we may be able to arrive at a discussion of why any increase in taxation, or any further theft of the future of our children is what it truly unacceptable - until that time I will answer as the name I have chosen, not the name I have been given by the grand-children of immigrants .. if anyone had bothered to research my name (instead of declaring it unacceptable) they would have gained slightly more insight into my ideology.
edufan
11:36 am on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Your ideology of one of hysterics. Your replies to my post, Ms. Decker's and Ms. Binder's posts are surely proof of that. As for your username? I was aware of its meaning and I finally feel compelled to inform you, as another descendent of immigrtants.........you are NOT the only one who feels that you can make a difference, you are NOT the only star thrower. There are millions of star throwers, and this star thrower (ME) recognizes that many starfish are saved daily and the rescuers come from many ideologies. I happen to disagree with your ideology, and I view it as a right wing radical one. That's my right to view it that way.
By the way, YOUR contumelious rhetoric to those of us who disagree with you is not only immature, but it is unfounded, and unacceptable. We are not gang members; we are not sexual abusers and we are not bullies, and I am not brain dead. As a Public School Teacher, I take pride in my work, my students and my school district. I will also work very hard to maintain the excellent education our children are receiving. Hence, MY username: EDUFAN!!!!
Star Thrower
12:04 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
You my fine feathered are a speaker of distortion, untruth, and a simple parrot of inciters .. nothing more .. who has most likely never heard of Eiseley, or anything else of value in your proven illiterate world.
edit: I just noticed your first ever reading of my word contumely, and of course you had to look it up and parrot it right back to me .. lol
Cathy Binder
12:10 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
THe paranoia displayed is downright scary. So, I guess I can't read what others write on other news outlets and respond here now without you making commentary? I have seen you do this before, I seen you reply under other names before. You are not new news to me. I just simply choose to keep my commentary here. What is it to you? Are you so enthralled with your own importance (or lack thereof) that you assume that all who do not support your view spend their days as you do at a computer setting up screen names on multiple sites to get at you? Dream on (the name of another public education hater) you dialogue with. So, the fact I read in multiple places makes me what - well read - or in your case someone who has multiple personalities. Do you see how sick and pathetic you are?
So, if you want me to be part of the gang that supports public schools - go ahead and put me there. I am proud to be a part of that "gang".
And I researched Star Thrower too and found an organic farm in Minnesota - and I seem to recall from earlier rants you are an organic farmer. So, is that where you hail from? Or are you just an outlet for their products.
Star Thrower
12:26 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Please post comments you have seen me post with, or you will prove yourself one more unionist speaker of distortion and truth - I can post comments and links from you as a word for word clone of 7dPrinceton.
It's obvious you just looked up star thrower farm .. please post any comment I made about being an organic farmer also.
edufan
12:41 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Don't flatter yourself, star, and don't underestimate me; especially concerning literature and vocabulary. I am simply impressed that you know how to find seldom used terms. Wait, of course, you looked it up!
Once again, you avoid the intonation of my post and simply try to attack my intelligence, which again, you've underestimated. I have an assigment for you: look up the word, "respect" and attempt to learn its meaning, please.
Star Thrower
5:23 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Once again EDFAN THROWER .. your feathers are showing as you completely parrot my comment using plagiarism simply because you're totally devoid of even a smidgen of intelligence you claim either now or in the future ... when you run for school board director ... I almost fell of the chair laughing when I read that one ... and as for your literature and vocab .. try reading your contumelious 11:36 AM post and tell me again about it ..
Cathy Binder
8:49 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Star - you know I am correct - you have used many names in the past - I have followed your diatribes for years on the Daily Local. I have watched you and your conspiracy theories believing that all who disagree with you are the same person. I don't have to prove anything as you say. Many here know who you are. You have been called out on the Daily Local, I followed that little debacle. So, now you are not the organic farmer you formerly professed to be when you used the name "little". Really? Or how about "African Pride" a few years back or the other names you have come and gone under as you were bounced off sites for your hateful speech?
I know what you are trying to do, and believe me keep at it. It will not dissuade me. You simply cannot stand that those of us who do not agree with you do form a coalition of active voices. So we speak as one, and have similar ideas. That does not make us the same person. How easy for you if it were so. Unfortunately the masses do not see it your way. Sorry. And your continually put downs will never help in anyone even giving you an audience.
edufan
8:50 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012
Oh, Star, if you weren't so ridiculous, I'd be laughing at you right now. You are running out of steam. You sound like a little child who is name calling. Talk about being a parrot!! Your written voice has taken on a "ME? What about you?!?!?!" tone to it. Grow up, and admit that you have your own opinons, I have my opnions and we do not have to agree.
Don't forget to pry yourself away from your cyber world, get off of the chair you almost fell off of, get outside in the fresh air, and go vote.
edufan
12:16 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Thank you, WCASD officials for voting to stay with ten elementary schools.