Residents Speak Out Against Union Dues Requirement
Residents at the West Chester School District Board meeting speak out against the district's requirement that all teachers pay union dues.
Several residents of the West Chester Area School District spoke out against the district’s current requirement that forces all nonunion teachers to pay union dues in order to keep their jobs at Monday’s school board meeting.
Several residents argued that the practice should be eliminated from the next teachers’ contract in the on-going negotiations, and that teachers shouldn’t be forced to contribute money to political groups they do not support.
In a letter to the Daily Local, school board vice president Hedi Adsett wrote:
“I contend that teachers should be free to choose whether or not they wish to financially support the union. Compulsory dues should not be forced upon any public employee by contractual agreement between elected officials and union officials.”
She goes on to write:
“This money gets used by the state (PSEA) and national (NEA) teacher unions for various political lobbying activities, and under a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in the Citizens United case it can also be used for independent campaign expenditures.”
However, not every resident agreed with Adsett.
District resident Robin Kaliner said that she didn’t necessarily support unions, but that she was curious as to why the board was making such a big deal out of something she perceived as small.
“The amount of money spent on this by the district is insignificant compared to health care, pension and salary costs,” Kaliner said. “So why is this issue so much more important?”
Kaliner went on to argue that the move was a conscious one by the board to decrease the political power of the unions.
“You are using the school district to promote your own political aspirations,” Kaliner said. “You are making decisions based on ideology.”
Adsett shot back saying she supports the teachers’ union, but she thinks the compulsory dues violate teachers’ first amendment rights.
In her letter to the Daily Local Adsett wrote:
"I am bound by my oath of office to uphold and defend the First Amendment to the Constitution. I believe it is un-American to approve a collective bargaining agreement that compels dues payments out of any current or prospective nonunion teacher’s paycheck."
Cathy Binder
7:06 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Well, much ado about nothing again. I think from what I have discovered from the teachers I have spoken to that in West Chester 100% of them belong. I think the big picture of strong armed thugs forcing people into membership is a bit ridiculous. These are intelligent people, and there are many benefits to union membership - liability insurance being one small piece. Also, if you are not a member, you forgo the right of representation even if you are falsely accused and need representation in a due process hearing. That in this litigious society can mean a lot.
So, Mrs. Adsett, what exactly is it you are so upset about? These are grownups. I think they can decide for themselves. I live in a neighborhood with many teachers, they are my friends and I talk to them about this. I don't see the union as the enemy. I want this board to get back to the negotiating table please.
Monk
7:31 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
To read more about Ms. Adsett and her family ties through Astra Zeneca to PAC ALEC go to:
http://tinyurl.com/bw8qo7l
Howyalikethemapples?
7:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Pure political theater! Looks like the 2013 school board race is kicking off and our esteemed board VP is looking to capitalize on wedge issues and trivial matters, anything to distract the voters from a sham of record by the incumbent board members. Maybe she is tired of being VP and wants to take over the big chair.
The First Ammendment comment is a bit dramatic and ironic though, considering the VPs support of the ban on free speech put in place by the board policies on public comment at meetings, distribution of fliers and attempts to limit the political activities of the individual patents who also happen to be PTO members. If we are going to fight for individual liberties at least do so with consistency and not only when doing so supports one political ideology. Give us a break, we reject your politics and can see through the drama.
Kevin Ansley
9:09 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Perhaps you don't remember the unionization battles (very few do) but you only need to read recent history to see that, while very necessary, unions only speak for their members. Thus, giving them more weight than that, as mandatory dues-paying does, is inappropriate.
William Kooy
9:09 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Of all the important issues the district is facing and the board is worried about union dues??? Something stinks here. To think a non-union employee should pay union dues is absolutely crazy..
Oh, by the way board members, how about concentrating on educating our kid
Robin Kaliner
9:20 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I want to be clear, I am not a big fan of unions, but I am a fan of the teachers in WCASD. I don't think that teachers should be forced to pay union dues if they don't want to belong, but I also think that in that case they should be responsible for negotiating their own salaries, benefits, hours, raises, etc. I do think that some of the union dues $ gets used for political purposes...just as charter schools use some of their tax funded tuition to lobby for laws that benefit them and the oil and healthcare industries do the same thing with their $. Teachers unions are not the only ones using big $ to get their way in Harrisburg and Washington DC.
My point, however, is that the school district is not the place to be hammering out political issues such as this. Our board should be concentrating on the issues that will most impact West Chester students, not state and national issues. The COST of collecting these dues is minimal—the impact is a political one and so this issue does not belong in a school district’s contract negotiation. I have said all along that this board is way too politicized--some are Republican committee people, some play leadership roles in Tea Party organizations, one recently lobbied on the pulpit of her church for parishioners to support vouchers and EITC which will funnel tax $ away from public schools and to private ones, and then there is Mrs. Adsett's letter.
Robin Kaliner
9:21 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I don't recall hearing this at all: "Adsett shot back saying she supports the teachers’ union, but she thinks the compulsory dues violate teachers’ first amendment rights" (and if the teachers feel that way then they should get up and say so, Mrs. Adsett’s role is not to advocate for the teachers as she seems to be saying she is doing). The only thing I recall Mrs. Adsett saying is "I do not speak for the board, Heidi Adsett speaks for Heidi Adsett". Well, if that is the case then why the need to write “WC School Board VP” under her name on her editorial (not to mention her election day Robocall ranting against “Philadelphia style union bosses” where she also identified herself as Board VP). It is unethical for Mrs. Adsett to use her board position to drive her personal political ideologies, and the other board members should not be sitting by allowing this to happen-silence is concurrence. And as for “Heidi Adsett speaking for Heidi Adsett”, there are plenty who believe Mrs. Adsett is a mouthpiece for far larger and more dangerous political voices.
Simon Campbell
8:59 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
And there are plenty of people Ms. Kaliner who believe you have no idea how to be Treasurer of a POLITICAL COMMITTEE. You should look up the word "Expenditure" in campaign finance law before you write $250 VOTE checks to the Melton Center to "sponsor summer basketball team".
Section 1621 (25 P.S. § 3241). Definitions.
"(d) The word “expenditure” shall mean:
(1) The payment, distribution, loan or advancement of money or any valuable thing by a candidate, political committee or other person for the purpose of influencing the outcome of an election;
(2) The payment, distribution, loan, advance or transfer of money or other valuable thing between or among political committees;
(3) The providing of a service or other valuable thing for the purpose of influencing the outcome of a nomination or election of any person to any public office to be voted for in this Commonwealth; or
(4) The payment or providing of money or other valuable thing by any person other than a candidate or political committee, to compensate any person for services rendered to a candidate or political committee."
And try this, Ms. Kaliner:
Section 1634.1 (25 P.S. § 3254.1).
Lawful Election Expenses.
No candidate, chairman or treasurer of any political committee shall make or agree to make any expenditure or incur any liability, except as provided in section 1621(d).
Hmmmm. Have you read the penalties section of the law?
Dana Seaman
10:04 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
She actually said that she "doesn't hate the teacher's union" and that she stands for the constitution. But her actions (letter writing and robo calling, changing district policies to limit the freedom of speech for parents) speak louder that her words.
Americans for Liberty
3:43 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
There is a difference between contributing to teachers unions and contributing to an organization promoting and aiding in the success of a business. Unions had their glory days in the 1900s when working conditions were terrible and people were taken advantage of by their employers. However, now unions work to fund political (wait I thought we wanted to keep politics out of it) motives and spend tax-free money on lavish “conferences” at hotels, golf resorts, and more. Just look at the recent example of Scott Walker, where unions spent millions to support Barrett because Walker is against collective bargaining and (gasp!) public sector workers contributing to their own pensions. And where does this money come from to fund teachers? Tax payers.
Robin Kaliner
4:07 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I'm not disagreeing with you (although as a long time private sector employee I can tell you that the private sector has it's own share of lavish boondoggles at the client's and/or shareholder's expense). Unions are generally not good for business. I do think that in the case of your "employer" being the taxpayers, though, workers do need some sort of support since in the case of teachers not everyone paying your salary is a recipient of your "product"; but until there is a new way to fund schools everyone needs to share the cost if we want to contiue to have a qualified workforce. I don't think you can necessarily say that the $ teachers pay in union dues is "taxpayer $"--yes, it comes from the taxpayers, but the teachers perform a service to receive their pay and they are free to do what they want with that $ (which is why I also don't agree with forced union dues for non-union members, but feel they should then negotiate their own work arrangements). I'm NOT arguing in support of unions. I'm saying that this fight does not belong in the negotiations between WCASD and it's teachers. That fight should be done at the state level, not in the schools. The school board should be negotiating a contract that will optimize the $ remaining for student programs, not one that makes the most political impact.
Americans for Liberty
3:43 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
When in the private sector, businesses can either fail or succeed and they make their money based on work and effort they put forth and their contributions to the economy. There is no guarantee that a business will thrive, or that all the employees will still have a job if they do not perform well. Private sector jobs do not have the luxury many public sectors have where they are guaranteed a job as long as they perform adequately in their first three years and they don’t get caught having relations with an underage student. There are many great teachers out there, but just as many teachers who have accepted their tenure and use class time to plan their soccer rosters or file their nails. In the private sector, the people in charge of looking out for their businesses have every right to give money to any organization they feel will help GROW their business, CREATE jobs, and thus IMPROVE the economy. Whereas, the unions just continue to ask for more, and more for their employees and teachers when everyone else is taking pay CUTS due to the crippling economy. How is constantly giving teachers raises and more benefits REGARDLESS of performance helping our children? If you want to try and compare actions of the unions of the public sector and organizations of the private sector, why don’t you look at more than just the surface.
Robin Kaliner
4:16 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
You've misunderstood me. I also agree with you on tenure and the notion of pay increases based on years of service. I come from an employer that paid for performance and all compensation was merit driven. Telling someone they basically have a job for life can be the same as giving them a free pass for mediocrity--many will still take pride in their job and accomplishments and work hard regardless, but some will coast by. We have many great teachers in WC, but I'd be lying if I said I haven't encountered some who I thought should not be there and would surely be fired in a private sector setting.
So I am NOT saying that constantly giving teachers raises and more benefits regardless of performance is good for our kids. I'm saying it is the salary and benefits issues that the board SHOULD be focusing on, NOT the collection of union dues which, even if they "win", will net the district very little savings. That is a political issue, not an economic one.
Simon Campbell
9:11 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Ms. Kaliner, the only politicization around this issue comes from those individuals such as yourself who wish to see WCASD continue the practice of using governmental resources to assist a private organization's political activities. Such an activity is not an appropriate use of governmental resources. Pennsylvania state law (Act 195 of 1970) makes the issue of dues deduction, negotiable, at contract time. There is no reason why the Union should not be told to collect it's political money away from the school district. The fact that you support the Union dues collection service reflects a far-left ideology not in keeping with the view of most people; which is that public school districts exist to educate students ...not help pay Union lobbyists salaries in Harrisburg and Washington D.C.
Fig
4:21 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I still cannot believe that so many people still believe that once a teacher gets tenure, he or she cannot be let go. Really? Filing nails during class time? Let education be privatized. Do you know what will happen? Education will lose quality teachers and the quality of education in this country will suffer. You will pay for your child's education. So what we all pay in school taxes now will be nothing compared to tuition at a school where a child will receive a quality education. Unions do still have a place today. I would much rather have a trained union outfit building my school than a poorly trained non union one, but hey, they did have he lowest bid.. I don't see most people crying about rights they enjoy that were won for them by union workers. And to get to my real point, teachers unions do not force anyone to join. It Is optional, but every teacher I know joins.
Americans for Liberty
4:35 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
If it is optional and so great, why not let teachers write their own checks to the unions? Why is it the responsibility of the WCASD to take the money out of the teachers pay checks? And yes, as a former student of the WCASD there is a plethora of poor teachers who continue to get get raises despite the negative reviews they receive from students. Filing nails and working on soccer rosters is only some of the things I can name from my experience as a student in the district.
Voting Resident WCASD
4:52 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I wonder if the current contract requires all teachers to pay full union dues or fair share, which is a portion of the dues. That has not been stated clearly. It is not uncommon for teacher contracts to include a provision for fair share, since nonunion teachers actually do benefit from the collective bargaining done on their behalf by the union. Non union teachers do not negotiate their own salary, benefits, and working conditions. Instead, non union teachers receive the salary, benefits, and working conditions that the union teachers negotiate for them, thus the provision in many contracts for fair share. Non union teachers directly benefit from the union, therefor they are often required to pay something in exchange for that.
Another thought, is this discussion even necessary? How many teachers in the West Chester Area School District are not in the union? If all or even most of the teachers are in the union, then this discussion is just a distraction from the real issues that need to be discussed.
Cathy Binder
10:18 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I think the figure I saw was only 14 out of 963 are not members. I would like to know how many of them are new hires, or were on the roles as long term substitutes and may not have joined for that reason. This is a stupid argument. GET BACK TO NEGOTIATING!!!! Where is Mr. Sultanic that we hired? The union is ready to sit down, why not the board? This is the same nonsense they pulled before, delay and delay. I am sick to death of this group, turning down half a million dollars in grants, arguing about this kind of silliness why? Their job is work for out kids, not their stupid political agenda.
But heaven forbid we speak up at a meeting, Mr. Murphy will tell us to be quiet, stop clapping or whatever. Yeah, first amendment. It seems to apply on to them and their voice, the heck with the parents, the community who has an opinion different than theirs or heaven forbid our kids.
Heidi Adsett
12:20 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Liberty,
Thank you for sharing how my tax dollars are being spent. I cannot believe that you had a teacher doing soccer rosters during class time! Isn't this what supplemental contracts pay for? Teachers are supposed to TEACH in the classroom and COACH after hours. Have you reported this to the school or the administration? Does this teacher have any other violations or is he/she a protected tenure teacher?
I agree that if teachers WANT to join the union they will happily write a check. It is not a political issue at all. If all teachers voluntarily write their checks, it will be clear that they all want to join the union. The fact that the unions are fighing this issue shows that they fear losing membership and that all teachers do not want to join the union.
When faced with the fears of our current economy, I am encouraged when I see that my hard earned tax money went to educate an intelligent indivudual such as yourself.
God bless you and America.
Americans for Liberty
11:10 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
John Galt,
Thank you for your comment. I respect the teachers enough not to identify them specifically, and have not particularly spoken out about my experience until now. This does happen to be a protected tenure teacher. I actually took two classes with this particular teacher, one before receiving tenure and one after. The quality of teaching diminished dramatically in that second year.
I am certainly disheartened by the quality of some teachers in the district. I wish I could say there was only this one teacher I had a poor experience with, but sadly this is not the case.
Simon Campbell
11:28 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Common sense suggests a simple solution. Individual professional educators should all be hired individually and at-will. Just eliminate the Unions. The forces of supply and demand will then naturally work to ensure that hard-to-recruit high school physics teachers are paid more than easy-to-recruit gym teachers. And by negotiating individual contracts themselves each professional educator can negotiate for merit-based pay based upon whatever local criteria the two parties agree upon. Mr. Obama wouldn't need to fret about how to issue a merit-pay directive from Washington D.C. And by having individual contracts for professional educators the poor performers could be let go. And no teacher would be forced to finance left-wing political activity in order to keep their job.
In other words, collective bargaining is fine on a factory floor where all workers are making widgets; but inside our public schools it is a joke. It eliminates all forces of supply and demand and it encourages institutionalized mediocrity. When you point this reality out to liberals they say words like "Be fair to teachers". Then, when you ask these liberals "Which teachers? The good ones or the bad ones?" that's when they grunt and say something about the tea party.
Talking of which it's time for my morning brew.
Simon Campbell
10:44 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Cathy Binder, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't understand Pennsylvania state law. Non-Union employees who are part of a compulsory monopoly bargaining entity such as WCAEA-PSEA-NEA are required by law to receive the same workplace representation as Union employees. If they don't get it; they could sue the Union. They don't get the Union's liability insurance but that's just a racket the Union uses to convince teachers to become members. The old scare tactics of "you could be sued if you're not a Union member". The reality is the state law already indemifies teachers against liability for many things, and the district's insurance policies cover them for many things, and/or insurance policies can be purchased from third parties. It costs the NEA about $3 per teacher to provide a Union member with an insurance policy they don't need; and for that teachers have to pay c. $800 in Union dues.
Second, to the anonymous liberal who said that the Union benefits non-Union employees. I've got news for you. I'm the president of StopTeacherStrikes. We advocate to stop Union bosses kicking innocent children out of school. You far-left liberals are not members of StopTeacherStrikes but I've decided that what we do benefits you. No, I don't care if you agree with that assessment. I'm going to have your employer seize money ouf of your paycheck and send it to me, if you want to keep your job.
Keep on rocking Mrs. Adsett!
Cathy Binder
1:13 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
And Mr. Campbell I know who you are and your position is a rather biased one. So I take most of what you say with a grain of salt and consider the source. I live in this community, you don't. I know what my teachers, who are my neighbors do as well as my administrators. They are not evil union thus as you would like to portray. I could care less about whether they have the dues deducted, it is an immaterial argument to me. And it seems to me the only people concerned with this are people like you, not the teachers. So I wonder about your political agenda. And nobody here is talking strike. So stop. You are making trouble, and that is all.
Simon Campbell
2:04 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Actually Ms. Binder you gave out false information in your initial comment when stating that non-Union employees forgo the right to Union representation. You were incorrect because you don't know how the monopoly bargaining law works. I'm sorry you don't like being incorrect, but I encourage you to get your facts straight. Section 606 of the Public Employe Relations Act (Act 195 of 1970) states:
"Representatives selected by public employes in a unit appropriate for collective bargaining purposes shall be the exclusive representative of all the employes in such unit to bargain on wages, hours, terms and conditions of employment:"
Source: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=552991&mode=2
"Exclusive representation" means the Union has to represent Union members and non-Union members, in collective bargaining and grievance procedures; equally and alike without discrimination.
On top of the original monopoly bargaining law (Act 195 of 1970) for all public employees, is built Act 88 of 1992; the monopoly bargaining law for public school employees that puts in limits for how long Union bosses can throw children out of school on a strike. Today, all West Chester Area parents could be given just 48 hours notice of a strike because of that law.
Holding far-left views is your right. But I think you owe it to yourself to be educated about the law before you post false facts.
Simon Campbell
2:20 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
And the issue Ms. Binder isn't whether teacher Union members want their Union dues deducted from their paychecks. The school board represents the public not the Union. The issue is whether it is an appropriate use of public resources to have political money processed. Me causing trouble? Oh please! The teachers' Union do nothing except cause trouble. They force their monopoly representation onto teachers who don't want it, then force them to pay dues, then throw children out of school on strikes, then lobby for pensions that taxpayers can't afford (using those deducted dues dollars) and which steal scarce financial resources from the mouths of our children. Oh, and they line their own pockets spending dues at golf clubs and casinos. And yes, that's public information too. It's on their federal LM2 financial disclosure forms available at the U.S. Dept. of Labor's website.
If your teacher Union friends love the Union so much then it really shouldn't be a big deal for them to set up direct deposit with their Union to send off the dues, should it? Left-wing liberals support governmental resources being used to assist the Union's political activities. Most people do not.
Well done, Mrs. Adsett. Keep up the great work!
Average Joe
11:57 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Simon Campbell, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't understand the West Chester community. My grandfather immigrated here much like yourself, but the similarities end there. We live in a society where we work together using a system of multiple checks and balances to live together despite our individual differences. While discourse inquiry is a worthwhile component of possible change and reform, your inflammatory and condescending rhetoric is simply just that. West Chester enjoys great schools, low property taxes, healthy real estate values, low crime rates, and overall is a wonderful community filled with proud residents.
Heidi Adsett
12:12 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Union playbook, page 1
1. Use words such as "discuss openly and honestly" but use a pseudonym when you blog.
2. Tell others that they must be civil in their tone, but continue to call others that don't share our view names.
Does anyone see a little hypocrisy here? Of course we need unions. Who else is going to keep their playbook up to date?
Simon Campbell
12:37 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Supporting the current compulsory Unionism requirements inside the West Chester Area School District is appalling. As usual, support for this violation of individual liberty, is perpetuated by left-wing bloggers who hide their real names as they post anonymously. Compulsory unionism and the practice of using governmental resources (payroll deduction) to assist the teacher Union's political activity is sinful and tyrannical, and is not supported by the public at large.
Thank you again Mrs. Adsett for bringing these issues to the public's attention. It's just a shame that some people, who previously got onto the West Chester Area School Board, delighted in voting for their own spouse's employment contract. And it is appalling that any anonymous blogger would seek to label any American citizen as a tourist.
The good news is that Robin Kaliner is about to find out what transparency means after I post the campaign finance reports for her election-influencing political committee on the internet. It just a shame she doesn't understand the definition of the word "expenditure" in campaign finance law. More on that later.
Average Joe
1:00 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
While many people come to visit regularly, many decide to stay. We, as life long residents, generation after generation, welcome all with open arms. But, please refrain from berating everyone with the extreme ideologies from both ends. Lets just do what's right to keep our community wonderful, and our society civil. Contrary to director Vince Murphy, school board meetings and committee meetings should support two way discussions. While you, Simon Campbell, are not even a visitor of the West Chester community, feel free to continue your dismantling of the Pennsbury area. Too bad director Heidi Adsett chose to use your words (or your previously stated words) with her school board title to adress the community in print. Let us get back to the real issue - finding a healthy middle ground between fiscal responsibility for our community, the well-being of our children, and still continue to support our local public school teachers.
Average Joe
1:02 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
After all, these teachers are also taxpayers and members of our community. While the cliche "its for the kids" is actually a fact, the overarching theme should always be for the health and vibrancy of the West Chester community, and that starts and ends with it's infrastructure, which of course education is a key component. And as for visitors, don't forget why you came here in the first place, why you chose to stay, and why you need to keep the attributes that made it the community it is in tact.
Joseph Cossanu
Registered Republican
Simon Campbell
1:33 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Davison, you seem to have a problem with elected officials articulating their views next to a biographical fact about who they are. It makes no sense but it's your hang-up. I routinely speak under the name Pennsbury School Board Director and I don't bother checking with anyone. Nor do I preface it with any type of disclaimer.
As for Robin Kaliner and the four other far-left liberals who tried to make an irrational 'speech comparison' argument with respect to school district policies pertaining to PTOs ...that was ridiculous. First, most PTOs are non-profits who could get in trouble with the IRS if they are spending money on political activities (like handing out electioneering flyers). Second, it is within the rights of a school board to ensure that public facilities (paid for with public money) are not misused for political purposes by any private entity.
When an elected official sends a letter to the editor or goes on TV or radio to articulate a viewpoint about something, even if including purely political comments, there are no public resources involved. And when an elected official responds to a public comment at a governance meeting, that elected official is simply explaining something to the person who raised the topic. It's called dialog. You might hate the First Amendment but most people like it.
You believe that people who oppose your radical compulsory Unionism views should be silent. You are wrong.
Keep up the great work, Mrs. Adsett.
Cathy Binder
2:25 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
But the community members who have elected these officials cannot disagree? Mr. Campbell you have skewed the situation to fit your agenda. AS I said we live here. And as an elected board member, you and our board members represent the community, not yourselves. So, keep that in mind. And somehow the PTO's despite what you think are comprised of individuals. If those individuals decide to act that is their right. You seem to assume it is under the PTO umbrella, which is not true. Like minded people tend to be friendly and work together in other venues. That fact that they have kids in school together and also belong to the same school related organizations is not a surprise.
I would ask that my board stop trying to politicize this district for political gain. I think many intelligent people have seen through this. And the calling of names - liberal etc. is really aggravating. We are here in the best interests of our children, not your political agenda. This is a good school district, with good dedicated teachers and administrators. The only people working against that right now in my humble estimation seems to be the school board. Call that a liberal agenda if you like, but that is only your opinion.
Simon Campbell
3:26 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Nobody is offended by a chair being called a chair. The use of the word liberal is a benign statement of characterization. I recommend drinking tea to calm down instead of being aggravated over irrelevant things. Most liberals I know are proud to be referred to as liberals.
Let's get one thing clear. Pennsylvania state law, Act 84 of 1988, states that it is matter of negotiation between a school board and a Union as to whether or not there is a provision in the next contract that forces all non-Union employees inside a bargaining unit to pay dues. You clearly believe in coercion. Mrs. Adsett does not. Neither do I and neither do many people. You further believe that she should not even talk about this matter. Meaning you believe that the liberals who have run wild in WCASD these past couple of years should not be questioned. You show no respect for the concept of individual liberty. If all your teacher Union friends are happy with the Union then god bless them. This issue should be irrelevant because they'll all happily stay Union members and happily pay the dues.
It is far-left extremism that seeks to enforce any type of compulsory Union association on any individual employee. And you don't like being called out on it. Furthermore it is radical left-wing ideology that says "Sure Union, help yourself to our publicly funded payroll dept. to help pay your lobbyists."
Mrs. Adsett, please stop these liberals from politicizing the payroll dept.
Simon Campbell
4:02 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Oh, and Ms. Binder, you miss the point about the PTOs. Any individual PTO member can run around and be as political as they like in their individual capacity. Just like any elected official can. Or indeed any U.S. Citizen. But if PTO money is involved or school district resources are involved then this is an entirely different matter. Word is reaching me that electioneering flyers were being distributed on public property at WCASD. This is unacceptable no matter who was doing it. I pay state and federal taxes to support WCASD and I don't want publicly funded school district resources being used for electioneering purposes.
You also appear confused about democracy. As a school director I espouse various views and I take various public positions. I don't check with anyone nor do I need anyone's permission to express them. And when the words "Vice President, Pennsbury School Board" appear next to my name, that is a biographical fact. What happens is that the public hears my views and then the public decides whether or not my views are approved. It's called an election. I got elected by a landslide. So if you have a problem with me then you have a problem with the public who elected me. I do not, nor will I ever, represent far-left compulsory Unionism loving liberals. I simply tell them to vote for the other person.
Mrs. Adsett, say whatever you like. Just please make sure you always add the biographical fact that you're the WCASD School Board Vice President.
Jim Davison
2:37 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Mr Campbell, once again you're way out in left field. The Blogger who opines under the name of Average Joe has identified himself as Joe Cossanu. Anything I put in writing I sign my given name to. This is actually the first time I have blogged on this site. Additionally, you stated that I "delighted in voting for my own spouses employment contract" with the district. Fact, my wife was employed with the district long before I got back on the Board. Fact, at no time during my tenure on the Board was a vote ever taken on the support staff contract. Fact, if you knew as much about Pa law as you claim to you would know if ever such a vote was to be taken I would have had to recuse myself under state ethics laws. The ethics commission gave our board an opinion on this very subject. Since the support staff voluntarily took a pay freeze, we never had to take a vote. You may want to have a talk with your Mis-Informant, because quite frankly she's making you look like an ass (although you're not doing a bad job on your own). By the way, my wife is a FAIR SHARE member of the support staff. Finally, don't expect me to debate you on this or any other web site. I adhere to an expression my father used to espouse, "never get into an argument with an ass because after a while nobody can tell the difference". Go back to Pennsbury, you're not wanted here.
The REAL Jim Davison
Matt McKenzie
3:34 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I want Simon Campbell here.
I'd even like to start raising funds to pay for his relocation to our WCASD.
Simon Campbell
4:18 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Matt, you're most kind. Please know that my platform would be simple and non-partisan. We need to call out the radical left for what they are. Decent honorable taxpayers are going to be crushed under the weight of this coming public employee pension crisis. And any public employee who throws innocent children out of school on a strike should be fired on the spot. I say non-partisan because I am a Republican who publicly called upon Governor Corbett to go to jail. Forcing any United States citizen into Unionism against his or her wishes, as a condition of employment, is revolting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tploznWfo4Y
Nobody dared suggest that I provide any type of disclaimer before giving that speech. I'll say what I want, when I want, and where I want. The public has had enough of out-of-control public sector Unions.
You keep going, Mrs. Adsett!
Simon Campbell
3:42 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Now Mr. Davison, you seem flustered. I recommend drinking tea with milk and sugar to calm down.
Please allow me to sincerely say sorry for assuming you were a different liberal and for assuming that you voted on your school district spouse's employment contract. I now understand that you never got the chance to fail to fulfill your responsibility to voters by refusing to vote on a massive budgetary item, because of your wife's employment. I did hear however that you have a teacher Union background yourself.
And please know I don't expect any of the liberal left inside your VOTE committee to be willing to debate me. Only because I doubt any of you would last 5 seconds doing so. btw, Pennsbury's doing just fine; thanks for asking. Test scores are up and taxes are frozen. Largely because the Union-pandering liberal candidates got walloped in the last two election cycles by voters. Welcome to democracy. The will of the people is a beautiful thing to behold isn't it? Just please make sure that Treasurer Kaliner has an explanation for her political committee's expenditures to basketball teams. Seems kind of illegal to me under campaign finance law.
I'm getting the video of Monday's meeting so I can YouTube the exchange with Ms. Kaliner and Mrs. Adsett. It should be good for transparency. I might even add my own video commentary since the First Amendment apparently confuses VOTE's basketball-team spending Treasurer.
Cathy Binder
8:16 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I think the only one with a political agenda is you Mr. Simon. I care about our kids. All you seem to care about is some imagined conspiracy of "left wing liberals" out to destroy I don't know what. In the end if people want to put flyers on cars - so what. Flyer away - I will either read and be informed and decide I am interested or not. What are you so afraid of? Based on what I know of the incident you refer to those who involved in the campaign were non-partisan and were supporting a slate of candidates that were both republican and democrat - but did not necessarily support "your point of view". And as it is "public" property - who does control it? As taxpayers we all have equal access do we not?
Simon Campbell
8:45 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Ms. Binder, NO ... you do not have a right to use public property any way you want. You have no right to distribute election flyers on public school property in violation of school district policy pertaining to building and facilities use. In the same manner you have no right to walk around the White House parking lot to hand out your flyers either.
We do not live in a society based on anarchy. Rules pertaining to appropriate use of public school property are there for a reason. It is no more appropriate for you to distribute political flyers on public school property than it is for a pizza shop or massage parlor to distribute promotional flyers. You do not get to choose the "appropriateness" of the flyers. Nor do you get to decide who can wander around public school property. Rules are there for a reason and many of them pertain to child safety. If you don't like the policy for building and facilities use then run for school board on a platform of anyone can do whatever electioneering they like on public school property ...and see how many votes you get.
No you do not care about kids. You care about protecting Unions. Your criticism of Mrs. Adsett, who articulated a well-thought out public policy position, speaks for itself; as does your lack of knowledge about the monopoly bargaining law in PA.
Helen Weber
8:39 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Matt,
Let me know when you get that fund set up to bring Simon to West Chester, I want to be one of the first to contribute.
When Wisconsin stop deducting union dues, the union membership dropped by one-half. After all, as mentioned by Cathy Binder, union members are intelligent grown ups and if they want to pay union dues, they can do so directly to the union.
Thank you Heidi and Simon. Now lets see if the other members of the West Chester Area School Board have as much principled courage as Heidi.
Simon Campbell
10:45 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Hi Helen, I will shortly be mailing all nine (9) members of the West Chester Area School Board a survey on these matters. They can then either answer the survey or refuse to answer it. Their answers or lack of answers will then be publicly posted and sent to the media. Each of them is an individual elected official in their own right and the public should know where they all individually stand. Mrs. Adsett has made her position clear. Now we must move onto the others to flush out their positions. Contrary to those union-loving liberals who think no elected official should espouse a personal view about anything, our democratic system thrives when the exact opposite occurs.
Cathy Binder
9:16 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Well Mr.Simon, whatever. All I know is I don't care about it. Clearly this is a big deal to you and your party. Which is all this about in my estimation. What are you all so afraid of? That people won't think for themselves and make an informed decision?
From what I know this board has teachers afraid to even teach the process of voting and elections for fear of being accused of being political. What I wonder is how will our high schoolers have any meaningful discussion about politics and the election process this fall? I can see this crowd waiting to pounce the first time a healthy debate is had in a classroom and somebody decides they support a democratic candidate.
We all heard the horror story last summer about the teacher this board try to discipline for using her own computer, from her own home, on her own private email account to discuss the board election as a member and taxpayer of the community. That was a violation of her 1st amendment rights. But this board spent taxpayer money to get a lawyer to research this, and still tried to rake her over the coals. I resent that as a taxpayer Mr. Simon. To me this board and your interference as I see it in our community on nothing more than political issues disturbs me. I am sorry, this is about our kids and not political ideology. Shame on you. I get heated on this, because these people are elected to serve our community and children,
Simon Campbell
10:57 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Compulsory Unionism of any kind is indecent and immoral, Ms. Binder. I am stunned that you care so little for the principle of individual liberty upon which this nation was founded. If a teacher wants to join the Union and pay the dues, god bless them. But nobody, I mean nobody, should ever be forced into financing a Union against their wishes in order to keep their job. That is the point Mrs. Adsett made and it is shocking to me that such a position could be opposed by anyone. The opposition to Mrs. Adsett's beliefs comes from the radical fringe left inside the VOTE committee. And no, the radical fringe left has never had any concern about either children or taxpayers.
As to your allegation about a teacher being researched for using a home computer or home email for political purposes at WCASD I have no knowledge of that. I am not a WCASD school board member. And I confidently assure you that no teacher would ever be investigated for such a thing in my school district. You seem confused as to who I am and what I represent. Frankly I think the West Chester Area School Board is populated by liberals who spend too much time worrying about you folk in the fringe left instead of doing the right thing.
Getbacktotherealissues
9:36 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
I have a headache. I should like to offer Mr. Campbell a Valium and Anger Management courses, as I don't believe "tea with milk and sugar" would cover his issues. I don't think the White House actually has a parking lot...
Simon Campbell
11:02 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Stunningly brilliant articulation from the anonymous blogger. So bold and brave.
Steve Maher
10:46 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
The problem with the negotiations is you have people like Simon Campbell getting involved even though he doesn't live in the district. All you need to do is Google his name. He is a FAR RIGHT WING EXTREMIST that has militant ties to the Tea Party! He is controlling the board and right to know requests have been filed for board members that have email correspondence with him! Some of those board members that have been in contact with him are Vince Murphy, Sean Carpenter, Maureen Snook, and Heidi Adsett!
The real question is who is paying for the school board's PR team? Who is paying for the school board's newsletter concerning the negotiations? Who is paying for the youtube clips of board members Sean Carpenter and Vince Murphy? Who is paying for Mr. Sultanick to negotiate with the teachers union? YOU ARE! The TAXPAYER! Where is the accountability??? Thank Simon Campbell, Vince Murphy, Sean Carpenter, Maureen Snook, and Heidi Adsett for using OUR TAX DOLLLARS on THEIR RIGHT WING AGENDA!
Steve Maher
11:15 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Oh, and while we are at it Mr. Campbell, how come you never call for the investigation of accountability of cyber charter school money? After all, its public money going to schools that are putting profits over pupils! Look at the corruption of the Angora Cyber Charter School in Devon! Look at the Dorothy June Hairston Brown in Philadelphia! These schools have NO ACCOUNTABILITY! Why? Because Right Wing Extremists like Simon Campbell love Charter Schools! In fact, they want to destroy the traditional public education system so that there are more charters in place! These schools are backed by the Right Wing of the Republican Party with the mantra "For the Children" when its really "For the Money!"
Look at the PA Cyber Charter School located off of Paoli Pike in West Chester. It is run by former and current Chester County Republican committee people such as Jim Hanak, Gwenne Alexander, Eileen Rothrock, Bill Middleton, and John Wingerter (until he recently retired). Past board members have included Shannon Royer and current County Commissioner Terrence Farrell! We still do not know how much PUBLIC money is going to educate this students or the salaries of those that run the school! They are draining the school district of millions of dollars and recently the Republican controlled State Legislature voted against Charter School reform!
Ask the school board how much money is going to the children and how much is going towards those that run the school? ITS OUR TAX DOLLARS!
Simon Campbell
11:19 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Mr. Maher, please try some herbal tea with milk and sugar to calm yourself down. It's perfectly normal to oppose the forced seizure of dues from non-Union teachers' paychecks. Only a lunatic would think that sounds OK. And when you capitalize your speech you do come across like a ranting lunatic. By the way, I'll get involved in anything I feel like getting involved with. But if you don't like it then feel free to file a complaint against the First Amendment.
You seem to think that negotiations should be handled by Union-elected board directors who don't hire a professional attorney. Well that's a recipe for financial ruin as all too many school districts are finding out. IBM and Apple don't handle $200 million contract negotiations by saying "let's send the unpaid untrained volunteers in there and let them do it." Kind of a silly idea really.
As to the idea of accountability that comes at the ballot box, old chap. It's called elections. Just run some radical leftists promising to find all the free money and sing kumbaya with Union bosses to help close an $18 million budget shortfall and see how many votes you get. The thing is, I assure you that the radical Union-loving fringe left to which you belong really isn't that popular in the community.
Steve Maher
11:35 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Simple Simon, ahhh... a new name! Anyway, Simple Simon, where is the charter school accountability? Oh wait, there is none coming from you or your ilk! Its all about trying to destroy public education as we know it! Regarding the contract negotiations, that is what the current school board members were elected to do. Its something that they ran on in 2009 but I guess, like usual, you don't have all of your facts! And who are these "Union elected board members" that you speak of? So maybe I should type is CAPS because you don't seem to understand what is going on. Maybe you could blame that on your high school guidance counselor on why you haven't answered any of my questions! Or maybe yet, Simple Simon, that is why you don't like like public education in America because you didnt get that in the United Kingdom where you are from!
How are we letting a non American citizen attacking our American values? Simon Campbell is not an American! He doesn't sound like one or talk like one! He doesn't know anything about America but he criticizes our way of life!
Steve Maher
11:46 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
And Simple Simon the right to know requests of your email correspondence to members of the West Chester Area School Board should be interesting! I cannot wait to publish them! Typical Brits! They don't know when to shut up! Have a good one mate!
Simon Campbell
12:36 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Mr. Maher, you're a bizarre chap. While I enjoy a hearty debate with the radical left because they are incapable of debating an issue, I don't have time for loons. You actually believe in "gotcha!" and the most amusing thing is the look of confusion at the yawn the left get from me in response. I said something? Oh no, what a shocker! If I had a dime for every vile personal attack I've received over the years by the radical left I'd be a rich guy. Simon Campbell is not an American? Are you for real? Like I have any patience for that. I don't even sound like an American? What are you, some kind of racist? You folk are your own worst enemy.
Helen Weber
11:27 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Steve, why are you such a bigot and why are you against immigrants? As one whose family immigrated to this country because they loved freedom and they pledged their allegiance to this country (for which I am most grateful) I am very offenced by people such as yourself who cannot help but expose their prejudices.
Heidi Adsett
12:49 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
John Galt
12:12 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Union playbook, page 1
1. Use words such as "discuss openly and honestly" but use a pseudonym when you blog.
2. Tell others that they must be civil in their tone, but continue to call others that don't share our view names.
Does anyone see a little hypocrisy here? Of course we need unions. Who else is going to keep their playbook up to date?
Looks like Steve is following the playbook! Good for you, Steve! You get to share in a portion of the results with those who did not contribute! Union Rules!!! Only some contribute, but all benefit! So if only some study for the exam, we "share the results of the score"? I hope you don't teach in WCASD. Oh wait! Aren't you in UCF?
Cathy Binder
7:32 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
I am confused. I do not think there is any forced membership to the union in West Chester. So why are you so hepped up about this Mr. Campbell? Have you talked to the union members in MY community? What have they told you? Have you asked the 14 individuals who have not joined of the 963 who have why not? Have you sent a survey to the 963 about their attitudes and if they have felt compelled, or do not feel they are getting a bang for their buck? Tell me sir, I am just curious? You speak of individual liberties, but again, I am not sure if the only thing you are doing is trying to union bust. You also ignore that the union does offer many good things to the teachers, why are you so loathe to appreciate that aspect. It is not all negative. And what is so ironic, this is a district with the lowest taxes in the county, high test scores and teachers that if you were to put their salaries on the scale are not even the highest paid for the product they deliver. So, my position stands, what is your agenda. I think while we have a minority contingent in this community that is supportive of your ideology most of us are not starry eyed liberal whackos. We support public education, or teachers, and our community. We want the best for our kids, not a mediocre product. WE appreciate that good employees don't come cheap, and to attract the best costs. Sorry, I don't think I am alone in this.
Simon Campbell
8:37 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Ms. Binder, I appreciate your Union ghost-writer having you pen something for you to post. Really I do. It's just that it's so completely different from the very first comment you wrote at the beginning of this page that it's extremely obvious what's going on. I am uninterested in your Union's view of its own worth. That should be a matter for each individual employee to decide for themselves. The point is simple. Nobody should be forced to finance a Union they are not a member of. Period. End of discussion. You can label it union-busting or whatever you like. But George Washington took no survey when he was rowing across the Delaware in the name of individual freedom, and none is needed here. If there are only 14 individuals who don't belong to the Union I have no idea how it could be called Union-busting to no longer force them to pay dues. Perhaps you can explain. And the Maintenance of (Union) Membership provision inside the contract is a whole other subject we could get into. That's a serious liability risk to both the Union and the School District on Constitutional grounds. The bottom line is that liberals who support Compulsory Unionism are far-left extremists because they support coercion and compulsion as a means to facilitate Union power. Well, coercion is wrong. Freedom is good.
Cathy Binder
10:13 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
My issues are really only about this board negotiating the contract, not arguing about union dues blah, blah. This to me is stupid and not what I have these people on the board to work on. They are to be supporting my child's education. By all measures the teachers and administrators of this district are delivering a high quality product. Your issues are your own, and I resent you interfering in my community in this way. That is my first amendment right to express that point of view. This is political garbage in my estimation done with an agenda and it has nothing to do with kids.
Simon Campbell
10:18 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Union dues are just one of many items to be negotiated. Not the only one by any imagination. Exhausted thread at this point.
Helen Weber
11:35 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
And I resent the PSEA and the NEA getting involved in politics with the money that is collected by the payroll department of the West Chester Area School District which I do fund.
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10:56 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Word
Last
11:36 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
I said "word" Helen.
Last
11:37 am on Thursday, July 26, 2012
Oh, I meant "Simon says word."
Mother Mary Harris Jones
7:08 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Interesting posts. I would have to agree with Mr. Campbell & recommend the herbal tea with honey to calm everyone down a bit.
Mother Mary Harris Jones
7:32 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
I don't even know where to begin with all of you! First, I agree with Cathy Binder, the issue IS the WCASD board negotiating the teacher contract. What I don't understand is how she cannot see that the union dues issue is PART of that contract, & that it is important for the board to hear how taxpayers feel about it. As a taxpayer/resident living within the WCASD borders, I do not want my school district to incur expenses if teachers/unions wish for union dues to be deducted from their paychecks. It increases costs in the payroll department & money is needlessly shuffled from the district to the union. If there are higher administration costs, that is less money for student programs & services.
Mother Mary Harris Jones
7:33 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
The union is decidedly political, teachers & school boards are supposed to be apolitical. If all of the adult teachers wish to be union members & pay their fair share or full dues to the union, then let them choose to have dues automatically withdrawn like they do for mortgages or car payments. The tax collector does not shuffle my money to my professional membership organization, nor does my employer, I pay the fee directly. Let teachers do that too. Why is this such an offensive idea?
I do not believe that every union dues paying teacher or other staff really wishes to be part of the teachers union. The whole point of Mrs. Adestt's excellent editorial was to shed light on the fact that teachers/staff are basically being forced to pay dues by making it almost impossible to opt out of the automatic withholding of dues. Some staff do not wish to be union members, & to opt out is excessively difficult, not nearly as easy as some on these pages would have you believe. While you may not think there is any "forced membership", Ms. Binder, I find it hard to believe that is the case. What teacher would want to stand up & say they want out of the union & incur the hassle of "coming out"? I would think none.
Mother Mary Harris Jones
7:51 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
I hate this silly word limit.For a mother who is passionate about children & their welfare, it is hard to get all of my thoughts into one of these boxes.
My understanding of the teacher situation last summer is that a teacher used district resources for political purposes.An investigation should be opened for that infraction.
Mrs. Adsett,you wrote an excellent editorial!If a board member writes something,I think it is imperative for taxpayers to see that the person they elected is fighting for the students they swore to support, so using your "title" is perfectly acceptable.If you had not,some on these pages would slam you for not using it, so you really cannot win either way.
As to the issue at hand,WCASD board,please negotiate the best contract you can. Thank you for using an expert to work out details to protect the interests of the students & taxpayers.Please get something into the contract that does not reward the teachers Americans for Liberty had to contend with when attending WCASD schools. If the contract were to go the way the union would have it, those teachers will receive increases for filing nails & figuring out coaching schedules when they should have been teaching.
Lastly,I know who Mr. Campbell is too.He is passionate about the freedoms this country has to offer all of its citizens, & is a strong advocate for children Keep up the great work, sir, & let me know when you want to move into the district,we'll start the collection!
Cathy Binder
8:53 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Mrs. Jones, the teacher you refer to used her own computer, on her own time, in her own home, using her own service provider. The district was advised that she was well within her first amendment rights to do what she did. Sorry. I do not want the teachers to be restricted in their constitutional rights. No way, this is America, and they are citizens of this nation.
Second, the laws as they stand allow for fair share. In the end like it or not those who do not belong to the union do benefit from the contract. The amount of dues is not a negotiation point, and has nothing to do with negotiations. As far as if the district should or should not collect them, well that is up for debate. I could really care less and doubt it would matter. But honestly I don't think it costs the district. I think we largely misinterpret as citizens and believe there is this ugly animosity between the union and the administration. I think that is what this board would like all to think. In reality the union and administration clearly must work pretty well together as our test scores are high, and I see highly professional people working with my kids. Perfection, no. But I do not see perfection in my work place either. At least with a union contract I know that women and minorities are getting paid equally for service and education. But I suspect there is an old boys network at work here in other areas as well.